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Saturday, August 27, 2005

Get a gun in his hand!

Yesterday, Tim Kaine, in support of his "Sportsman for Kaine" did a little skeet shooting in Franklin County (hitting 14 of 25 clays, not too bad I must say) Of course, as you can see from the article the NRA was quick to point out that Kaine's attempt to "hug a shotgun" is nothing more than a machination, and if elected Kaine will personally be going door to door to collect uncle Billy Bob's beloved 20 guage shotgun. Nothing against Billy Bob, it's just all in the name of public safety.

Look I grew up in rural Virginia, I"ll talk guns all day with you. But the NRA is nothing more than an extention of the radical right element of the republican party. Unless a democratic canidate is willing to go down to the local elementary shcool and hand out Teck-9s to the kids, the best any non-republican can hope to achieve is for the NRA not to endorse a candiate - as in the case of Mark Warner vs. Mark Early in Virginia's 2001 gubernatorial race. Of course rebluplicans and democrats view a non-endorsement by the NRA as a de facto endorsement for the democratic candidate...confused yet?

Now I know Kaine as Mayor of the City of Richmond implemented Project Exile. As I understand Exile works somethng like this: if a convicted felon is caught with a illegal gun (since it is illegal for convicted felons to own guns) he/she receives a 5-year mandatory federal prison sentence. Seems fair enought to me, since gun rights advocates are always saying they are "law abiding gun owners" (which the overwhelming majority are), then they surely don't have a problem with Exile, since it's targeted towards "non law abiding gun owners". Yea, right, wouldn't it be nice if it were that easy. That would be too practical, and as in the case of the NRA politics trump practicality, or as in the case of project Exile public safety. (Note: I'm having a difficult time finding the NRA's offical stance on Project Exile, but it is accurate to suggest that a significant number of NRA members are opposed to Exile)

An even better recent example of the NRA putting polictics above practicality was the NRA's snub of Ohio congressional canidate Paul Hackett. The U.S Marine Corps officer Hackett, is a "card carrying member" of the NRA, an even has a concealed weapons permit in Ohio. Whereas his oppenent had niether, but according to the NRA had a "proven track record as a sate legislator for gun rights" - ok, fair enough - so I guess this too would be a situation for a "non endorsement", right? Wrong. Of course Hackett's lemming for an opponent received the endorsement. Who knows if this endorsement really translated into many votes for Hackett's opponent. What it does show me is that the NRA is more intersted in republican politics, with rare exceptions, then they are gun rights.

Here's an idea - how about we let Kaine and Kilgore "shoot it out" for the NRA endorsement?


  • At 8/27/2005 6:43 PM, Blogger republitarian said…

    Will, the NRA is a good thing. The second amendment is important, it protects against small things like tyrannical goverments.

    I would disagree with you that the NRA is just an arm of the radical right. There are some liberals who would love to take all the firearms they could from law-abiding citizens. I'm sure you would agree with that, now wouldn't you.

    That particular lobby is a very good thing.

    But I will say I agree with the rest of your political commentary......even though you are a liberal.

    I'm kinda shocked you even know what a tech-9 is. I've actually got to spray some 55 gallon drums with a few rounds.

  • At 8/27/2005 7:07 PM, Blogger zen said…

    Will you do make a great point in this post. My first thought was that it was political showmanship for Kaine to pose with a gun, even though Kaine may very well be a handy gun enthusiast.
    It's unfortunate that the common perception is that Dems cannot be pro-gun. Quite ridiculous as you point out. But one's perception is their reality.

    I'm glad that Republitarian can occassionally see past political xenophobia.

  • At 8/27/2005 8:03 PM, Blogger Will Vaught said…

    If we have to count on "uncle billy bob's " over/under 20 gauge mossberg to "protect us from a tyrannical goverment", then we are seriously screwed..bottom line.

    I'm all for gun rights, because I too am a gun owner, but I'm also for reasonable methods/tools to punish criminals who use guns to committ crimes - thus I fully support exile.

  • At 8/27/2005 8:17 PM, Blogger Will Vaught said…

    oh, and closing the "gun show loophole" too. seems reasonable enough to me, call me crazy..

  • At 8/27/2005 8:18 PM, Blogger republitarian said… know what a mossberg is too.

  • At 8/27/2005 8:20 PM, Blogger republitarian said…

    The NRA gives Kaine an F on gun rights. That bothers me.

  • At 8/27/2005 10:49 PM, Blogger Will Vaught said…

    hey I'll give you all the guns you want, let talk about REAL issues. The air evetually needs to be taken out of this subject somehow, it's nothing more than a "hot botton issue" that "conservatives" use to fire up their base, and the NRA is there just to throw a little gas on...why is this ALWAYS a gubernatorial issue? can you tell has anything really ever changed (in regards to gun right) over the past few decades?

  • At 8/28/2005 1:07 AM, Blogger zen said…

    I wonder what would the Republitarian say to a few alterations to his first comment, (I could guess):

    "the ACLU is a good thing. The first amendment is important, it protects against small things like tyrannical goverments."

    Just curious.

    Guns: It just makes sense to protect people's rights in a smart way. That goes for protecting the right to own guns, but also protect the saftey of the public thru initiatives such as Project Exile and closing the Gun Show loophole.
    For those that bicker about legislation that outlaws automatic assult weapons, the second amendment actually accomodates protection of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms?" Seems clear enough at face value, but should those "arms" include missiles? bombs? tanks? warheads? Should there be provisions to a "well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state?" If not then the militia should be able to compete with the technologies and firepower of the day.

  • At 8/28/2005 7:57 AM, Blogger republitarian said…

    Actually I don't have a problem with the ACLU.

    As long as the NRA and the ACLU act responsible...I don't have a problem.

  • At 8/28/2005 10:28 AM, Blogger Bassizzzt said…

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  • At 8/29/2005 9:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It can hardly be questioned that the NRA places politics first, just like many religious leaders (aka Pat "Kill 'em all" Robertson). Will puts his finger on the reason exactly. The NRA believes that Republican control of government is and end in itself.

    The logic being that democrats would eventually take all the guns away if in power.

    As a gun owner, hunter and a democrat. I think that is a little far-fetched. While I and many dems would agree that the 2nd Amend is important, all gun control is not created equal.

    The 2nd Amendment is like all other Amendments, there are some restrictions that a permitted in order to achieve the overarching goals of the Constitution. Remember the 1st Amendment does allow you to yell fire in a crowded movie theater.

  • At 8/29/2005 12:07 PM, Blogger republitarian said…

    Well then............ "FIRE"

  • At 8/29/2005 1:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    meant to say "does not"


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