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Thursday, July 20, 2006

Ok, Elkton (and those interested in Elkton) Have your say now!


Do you believe Elkton's Town Council recent decision to terminate Angler Development's contract was a good one?
Yes, in the best interest of the Town its better to pull out of this deal now, rather than later.
No, a deal is a deal, this will only cause the Town more headaches.
Neither, can't we all just get along?
  
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315 Comments:

  • At 7/20/2006 11:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm not sure it was a smart deal to begin with, but at this point, I think it was too late to back out of it. If I were Angler, I'd take Elkton to the cleaners!

     
  • At 7/20/2006 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yep, looks like the Elkton leaders made the old mistake of "leaping before they looked". It seems like there are no real good options left. When will they learn?

     
  • At 7/20/2006 3:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Why was a Park Authority established? It was way too late to be looking back. A deal is a deal. How will treatment plant upgrades, community center, pentacostal hill, and infrastructure improvements now be paid for? Can't these people see what our town looks like?? Why would anyone invest here......downtown or otherwise??However, there may be a bright side to all of this. This may have been such a huge mistake on the council's part that it could send Elkton into such a financial tail spin that it will bring enough people up in arms to overthrow this dictatorship.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I believe this council to have a combined wattage of 5, maybe less!

     
  • At 7/20/2006 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    But the voters of Elkton made it clear they didn't want a golf course. And unlike H'burg, the newly elected representives didn't flip-flop and killed it.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 7:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Would Vic Corbo please post and tell us Dumb-F#?#s how to save us from ourselves?

     
  • At 7/20/2006 8:43 PM, Anonymous Cal said…

    Seems to me that some of the council aren't as opposed to the golf course as much as they are opposed to more homes and the towm growing. I guess as long as we have the small minded people that voted for them, we will always have a small town!

     
  • At 7/20/2006 9:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yes, Cal, thank God! A small town. What a concept.

    If you don't like it, head over to the "Friendly City." I hear they have a golf course.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 9:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If I may interject, we got some similar problems down in Prince Edward. Big plans for golf course and residential development, big $$$ signs in the eyes of developers and realtors. But deal is going sour. Guess the hustlers rule the world and a sucker is born every day. It doesn't matter what little people think. I feel your pain.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 9:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To the 7:05 poster:

    First of all why did you have to show your idiocy by your stupid comment.

    Vic has been trying to tell you Dumb-F#?#s how to save yourself but you are so F#?#ing dense you can't see the forest for the trees.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 10:00 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    2-20-06 I realize this is an informal poll and it has only been up for less than a day. But lets see what this poll says in a few days. Today it does not look like the voters of Elkton so much voted against a golf course as they voted against a former council. Could that be the case? Could it be that the newly elected council pounced on the hostility that was obviously out there against Snow, McDaniel, Dean and Workman to get into office and actually thought the voters who put them in office cared about the campaign platforms?


    There is a Russian proverb that goes something like this: Man finds a jinni bottle, rubs it and is granted one wish from the jinni. The only stipulation is that the jinni is going to give the man’s neighbor twice what he asks for. So the man thinks for a while and then asks for the jinni to remove one of his eyes. There are to many people in this town that think this way. If they think someone is going to get ahead and there is nothing in it for them, they raise quite a stink and then nothing gets done.

    Cal – This council surely was afraid of the amount and pace of growth that Angler proposed, as I am sure most people in town were. However, they all were against the golf course as well. The new council formed an opinion about something on which they did no research what so ever – saw that there were a few of the eye gougers that were dead set against anything the former council would have proposed – then stirred them up with campaign promises to nix the deal. I hope these people like the way their faces look without the noses they cut off. In the mean time, Elkton, get ready to open your wallets.

     
  • At 7/20/2006 10:27 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To the 7:05 blogger. I have been attempting to live up to the challange from Jeff to be nice, so I have been mostly watching and reading. Then this person comes along with his post.

    I really do not have to post anything, this person seems to be quite able to show their mentality all on their own. If you cannot offer anything worthwhile then just trash someone else. Do you feel much better since getting that off of your chest?

     
  • At 7/20/2006 10:39 PM, Blogger Will Vaught said…

    ok, I'm officially confused. I thought the majority of the town suported the current council and their decision to nix the Angler deal..so what gives, it appears our little poll indicates support for the deal, or atleast following through with past agreements...

    I understand that this is hardly a scientific poll...or are all of the discontents drawn to this blog?

    just curious...WV

     
  • At 7/21/2006 8:55 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Will,

    More than the discontents are drawn to this blog. You only have to read the “printz and his royal court” postings to see the ASoPs (anonymous supporters of Printz) post in support of the mayor and new council. I suspect they are all burying their money in canning jars in the back yard right now to hide it from the newly elected council. Their bandwagon is headed straight towards an economic cliff. Unfortunately, the 25% who voted against this council and the 50% who did not vote at all will be dragged over with them.

    As I said before, I believe most people in this town became concerned with the pace and amount of growth Angler was proposing. When this deal was just the M.E. Kite property, most people could deal with that – understandably Jeff and Don were not happy, but most people could have handled that. When the Hiram Kite property and the Taylor property were added and when Angler discovered a nice place that was already slated for development 20 years ago, called Elkwood, the size of the project began to spiral upward. Now that Angler has carte-blanche with the Elkwood property (no one can stop this – growth is coming like it or not) the Dominion Ridge deal – the original project – became the loadstone that no one wanted to bear. So rather than try to work this out with Angler, the new council ran a campaign that they would ax the Dominion Ridge deal. The problem is that the mayor and former council signed a contract with Angler.

    One of the attributes of good leadership is standing in the face of adversity and moving forward through problems - not running from them. This council talked a great game prior to election and even after their first choreographed meeting were all smiles with the “we are moving forward” mantra. They are moving forward all right. I just hope they can turn the bandwagon before they run it off that cliff.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 9:46 AM, Blogger Missy said…

    I'm not sure if the original deal was good or not, but we had all this land and alot of debt.......something had to be done! As far as the golf course is concerned, I guess no one actually believed that the town would not be responsible for it and that is why they didn't want it. It was my understanding that the golf course was more to draw people to buy the houses and not actually for the locals. Now without a golf course who will buy the houses..that is assuming the Town is ever able to do anything with the land!

     
  • At 7/21/2006 10:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To the 9:44 Poster: If our taxes go up to pay for this fiasco in the making everyone may move out of town and then you can have a really small town.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 11:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thank God for the newly elected town council. The promises they made when they were running for council are being fulfilled. This town is going to be a a peaceful and beautiful town once again. Of course the disagreeable people will do all in their power to find fault, no matter how efficiently this town is run. Do people realize if we had accepted that gold course, you, the taxpeyers, would Be liable for all expenes to subsidize it, since golf courses are never known to make any money. They just drain and drain our resourses.and YOU are left holding the bag.

    Yes we are happy that the council and Mayor have terminated dealings with Angler. It was a bad deal all around, especially when there was a conflict of interest on the part of certain councilmen who woul have beniffited if the oontract went through. All in all, the termination was the pefect thing to do. There will be people who dislike the Mayor so vehemently, that they will attempt to justify their animosity by blaming the new regime, rather than the old. Thanks Wayne, Lee, Mike, Gene, Stebe, Margretta and Theordore. Keep up the good work -you are in our thoughts and prayers.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Missy: Let's not forget all of the additional debt that has been accumulated in anticipation of this development (oh, we can just pay for this later when we have more taxpayers). By the time this is all said and done, Elkton may be in deep financial turmoil. What happens when a town goes bankrupt? Who is held accountable? The mayor and his crew may be shamed, but the residents will bear the burden for many years to come.

    I truly feel sorry for Elkton residents. What a shame that a town with such a rich history and so much potential has been completely run into the ground by the mismanagement of inexperienced and unprofessional mayors and council members. I'm glad I don't live there.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 12:32 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Missy,

    I assume you have not been able to read the contract the former council and mayor signed with Angler. Once a person who wants what is best for the town of Elkton knows the deal, one of two things can happen. You can support the deal as being good for the town or not support it for the good of the town. Ones perspective on what is good for the town is then revealed.

    I believe the original deal would have been good for the town. This is easy for me to say because I do not live where Jeff lives. But even if I did, I still think I would admit that it was a good deal for the town while hoping it did not happen. I think the downtown storefronts would have been cleaned up by new businesses. I believe more service oriented businesses would have come to Elkton. I believe, as consumers, we would have been happy to see new retail stores in and around the town. I believe having money in the town’s coffers for building more side walks, the community center as planned, and additional needed infrastructure upgrades would have been good for the town. Can you feel that water pressure? Look at that clean water – no sand.

    I also believe the golf course would have been good for the town even though I do not play golf. 18,000 rounds a year was the projected break even point. That is just 30 rounds a year for each house in the Dominion Ridge project. All rounds above that total were pure profit funneled to the town through the Park Authority. Even if the course just broke even, 18,000 rounds of golf means that 50 people a day would be in Elkton who might not have been there other wise – spending money at local businesses, contributing to the taxes the town collects. Special events and charity tournaments would have allowed for Elkton to put on a bit of show for the rest of the area. With a little imagination, I could see golf carts, the original electric car, allowed into town, carrying people from the Dominion Ridge community to Ace Hardware or a new grocery store or Ciros for dinner or to visit neighbors.

    All of this could have happened AND Elkton could have still retained its small town charm but for the people who won’t let anything positive happen for the town as a whole if they don’t see something directly in it for themselves.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 1:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Take a real good look at downtown and tell me what you think. The current council has many of the same people that was on the council when the land was bought......Without a Plan!

    Without a Plan and Without a Clue!!

     
  • At 7/21/2006 1:49 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To the 11:35 poster. You really need to know what you are talking about before you offer your un-informed opinion. Did you even bother to obtain copies of the contracts and read them so you know of what you speak? Or are you blindly believing what you are being told by some. Like lemmings, follow the leader off of the cliff.

    During the campaign Mr. Printz and the four council elect used scare tactics and campaigned against no "Town Owned" golf course. How many times do you have to be told that the town would not own the golf course, the Elkton Park Authority, a seperate entity would be wholly responsible for the running of the course and any debt incurred.

    With no meaningful income, where do you expect the money to come from to make Elkton a "beautiful town once again"? With well over $6 million in debt do you have such deep pockets that you can afford to help pay this debt. Go back and read the history of the Kite property. Mr. Printz, Mike O'Neill, and I believe Lee Dearing were on the council when the decision was made to buy the property. I believe Mike O'Neill was the one who made the motion to borrow the money to buy the property. If it was such a good idea then, what has transpired to cause them such a total turn-around.

    Wake up and smell the roses. By the way, I still do not like Mr. Printz or his form of politics and will still work to see him go away.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 3:31 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    To the 11:35 ASoP

    Lets take a look at what you are thanking the council for:

    1) Debt of $2,000,000.00 for the M.E. Kite property
    2) Debt of $865,000.00 for the Hiram Kite property
    3) Debt of $150,000.00 for the Taylor property
    4) Debt of $1,700,000.00 for purchase and renovation of rec center
    5) Debt of $1,300,000.00 for Chicken Hill water/sewer upgrades
    6) Debt of $2-3,000,000.00 for waste treatment upgrades
    7) Debt of $?,???,???.?? to pay Anglers expenses to date which is required under the contract because Elkton was in default.

    This debt will be over 10million dollars. If you want to call me disagreeable and a fault finder for telling you the facts so be it. If you don’t agree with my numbers, go look them up yourself and report back to the rest of us what you think the debt will be. As Vic states, the people of the town would not have been accepting the golf course, the Park Authority would. The golf course would have been paid for by Angler (estimate value of 6 million which I did not count as a debt above but it is a loss) and owned and operated by the Park Authority. Though I am sure you did not mean to call the Dominion Ridge course a “gold” course, this is exactly what it would have been for the town. I find it incomprehensible that you are thanking this council for this burden.

    Your comments about conflicts of interest are baseless. If Mr. McDaniel got ALL the contracts from the home builders for the next ten years, I doubt it would equal the commercial business that his company does in one year. The fact that Mr Snow is known to be a golfer is also irrelevant. The Park Authority was formed to determine the best use of the Kite property. The Park Authority presented the golf course/development idea to the council. This was not some pet project that Mr Snow came up with all by his lonesome.

    Finally you argument is not on solid logical footing. You state that “golf courses are never known to make money”. This simply is not true. For every golf course you can site that fails to make a profit, I will site 20 courses that are making nice profits.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 4:39 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Dave, Boy would I like to have a coffee or beer with you.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 9:22 PM, Anonymous Clyde McDaniel said…

    I'm certain the council acted in haste when the decision was made to terminate the Angler contract. I'm not necessarily an advocate for a golf course or a major development but I had to make decisions based on our current position and not a position that could have been. I've signed many contracts and I can tell you that McDaniel hasn't defaulted on a single one. We have many times recognized mistakes and wished we could renegotiate the deal but we've always performed to the terms of the contract. How can there possible be a conflict of interest when our business is 97% commercial. The only segment of our business that does residential is floor covering. I wish people would do their homework before they make statements that are totally false. Had the deal went through, Angler would have contracted with a national home builder who most likely would have already had contracts with other vendors and suppliers. I do hope the current council will slow down enough to fully evaluate the potential liability before making too many more decisions. Hind sight being 20/20, the property should not have been purchased by the town. My heart goes out to our town and best wishes to the council as we move forward.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 9:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I appreciate you posting, Clyde, but why did you sign a contract that would obligate the town to millions of dollars of fees if it defaulted on the contract? Was the town also guaranteed millions of dollars if Angler defaulted (especially with the real estate market tanking)? That would have been a fair contract.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 10:26 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    I am not sure of the exact timeline, I would have to go back and review the minutes, but the main contract was signed by Mr. Printz on Feb 28, 2005 after him being the chief negotiator until Mr. Donachy got involved and was able to get a number of proffers that were not even thought of before his involvement.

    Clyde was not on the council when most all of the negotiations took place. He was appointed to the council after Lucky Sigafoose passed away. Not a whole lot he could do except try to make the best of things.

     
  • At 7/21/2006 10:43 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Mr. McDaniel, I also appreciate your post. Is the hindsight you speak of due to the fact that you believe the ORIGINAL deal was bad or is it because the way the Pham and Elkwood properties entered the picture? Or maybe just because of the bickering and division this has caused?

    Anonymous posting after Mr. McDaniel,

    You ask why the former council would sign a contract that would obligate the town to millions of dollars in fees. The decision the council on which Mr. McDaniel sat was made in an effort to eliminate the debt that the council prior (O'Neil, Dearing, Printz etc) incurred with the purchase of the M.E. Kite property. That council had already committed the town to 2 million in debt. Furthermore, why would the previous council believe that the town would default on the contract? Had the former council been re-elected, we would not be worrying about default.

     
  • At 7/22/2006 12:04 PM, Anonymous Clyde said…

    Dave,

    It's the bickering and division it's caused. And on top of that, the potential huge liability it has created for the town. If the town is in default, it could cost the town millions of dollars in costs. Without a doubt, it will cost the town six figures in legal fees. I hope the good people of Elkton recognize the amount of attorney's fees that have been paid over the last several years and the amount we're about to pay.

     
  • At 7/22/2006 12:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well, we see that the Monday morning quarterbackers are at it again. The Mayor and Council are doing the right thing for the people of Elkton regarding the Angler contract. The majority of the people of Elkton were against it, as evidenced by the landslide election in May. The incoming council spelled out their opposition to the Angler deal before the election. It seems that no matter what the council does, or will do, there are those who will oppose it, not because they are looking out for the citizens, but because of their own unrelenting dislike for the Mayor and some of the council. Face it, there are more of us who respect and appreciate what the the Mayor and the Council are achieving for us, than those who will say and do anything against them. God bless the Mayor, the Council and the good people of Elkton.

     
  • At 7/22/2006 1:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hey, Bloggers, Here are some facts that the crider/printz cult members seem to want to forget.
    Who put the town of elkton in the real estate business? Printz,o'neill and dearing- now o'neill says 'we don't need to be in the real estate business"
    Who brought Angler to the table to begin with? printz- now hazel tells him that it's not a good idea. After the former council worked for four years and spent thousands of dollars to make the best deal it could for the town.
    THE GOLF COURSE- Forger that it's a golf course- it's a revenue source that will help to keep the little people's taxes low . The park authority has spent many hours interviewing consultants and management companies-they all say the golf course will make a profit within two years after it opens- WHY- because unlike harrisonburg's golf course it wont have a debt service of a few hundred thousand dollars to pay each year.
    The crider/printz cult got us into this mess without a plan and now they don't have a plan to get us out.
    At least with the angler plan all the debt except the pentacostal hill project would have been paid for and we would have had a couple million dollars of new revenue to pay for the sewer plant which has to be upgraded-angler or not.
    This bunch of geniuses have taken the town from a $10 million to $15 million positive cash flow situation to a totally deficit situation and will substantially add to the debt.
    Maybe it's time for the little people to start thinking for themselves instead of believing the propaganda fed to them by the crider/printz cult.
    THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE VOTING FOR- ISN'T THAT A NOVEL IDEA!

     
  • At 7/22/2006 5:29 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Halleluiah, finally some are speaking out against the Anonymous Supporters of Printz. (ASoP)(Daves Term) I love it.

    It is like I have said many times before, they believe only what they want to hear and not what is actually true. Trying to convince these folks of anything but what they have been told by Mr. Printz is like trying to de-program a member of a cult, which is what Mr. Printz has created.

    Do not believe the facts and figures presented, just the propaganda fed them by the glib tongue. I fear Mr. Printz and the council will need God's blessing to pull the town out of the problems that are sure to evolve from their un-thoughtout action.

    As for what the council has done, go back to Dave's 3:31 post, read and understand what has been done, when and by whom. But then again your narrow view of the issues will not allow you to find the facts and think for yourself.

     
  • At 7/23/2006 11:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sad day for Elkton. Let me see. . .ANGLER builds,develops and delivers the golf course (paid for I assume) to the town and all they have to do is run it?
    What are you guys thinking! I guess that is the question of the day. I would think any developer would think twice before moving into Elkton, but maybe that's what you want.
    I believe I would leave the negotiating to the town attorney from here in.
    I also found it interesting to read in The Banner that the mayor guestimated this project had cost them $100,000 -$200,000, this is taxpayer money and I would hope someone would have kept a running total since the treasurer didn't! Maybe Donarchy wasn't the bad guy?Hope your still planning the audit.
    Shame on the old council for not following through and getting the job done before you left office. Shame on the new council for more of the same.

     
  • At 7/23/2006 2:19 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    You got everything right except the part about the town running the course. The Park Authority, a completely seperate legal entity from the town - set up to sheild the town from legal liability, was to run the course and all profits were to go to the town. The break even point - the point at which the golf course would be generating revenue for the town was estimated at 18,000 rounds per year. If the development had gone ahead, there would have been around 600 homes as part of this golf course community. Peole buying homes in a golf course community do so for one major reason, to play golf. 18,000 rounds would have easily come from just the local community. Additionally, the PA was to recieve close to 700,000 dollars to run the course for the first two years.

     
  • At 7/23/2006 5:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Maybe Donarchy wasn't the bad guy?"(sp) Yea, the guy who gets fired from the town manager's job in Bowling Green a few years ago and basically fired from this job. A pattern here!

     
  • At 7/23/2006 6:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    As far as I can see Donachy has nothing to do with the mess we are in now. The problems we are now facing are due to a Council of a few years back buying a lot of real estate that we didn't need or have a use for...the past Council trying to get rid of the real estate debt (and maybe make a profit) by selling to a developer....the present Council nixes the deal because they have tunnel vison of no golf course no matter what the financial costs!

     
  • At 7/23/2006 6:39 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    6:14 Anon-

    You got it exactly right

     
  • At 7/23/2006 6:40 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Anonymous at 6:14,

    You have it exactly right!

     
  • At 7/23/2006 11:36 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To the 5:40 PM poster. When someone jealous of the new man and his position, is afraid of losing his imagined "power" and publicly states that he will "Work to get rid of the Town Manager Position", how can the man work effectively.

    At every turn someone was casting dispursion and inneundo about Mr Donachy's character. I do not believe Mr. Printz ever made an effort to work together with Mr. Donachy for the betterment of the town. Jealousy, a big ego, and the lack of the ability to run the town as he saw fit got in the way of him letting Dennis do his job effectively.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 7:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    After reading this mornings DNR I would like to give a great big pat on the back to Vic Corbo. It is so nice to see someone who speaks out at town council meetings then actually going out and doing something. Hazel and her Neighborhood Watch members should take note.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 9:36 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    At your home, are you happier when you have a surplus of cash or when your paycheck goes out the door as fast is it comes home? AND the check doesn’t even cover all your expenses. Wouldn't you rather have a home in which your paycheck covers all your expenses AND you have money left over? Why would you want anything different for your town?

    Consider the follwing 20year estimates:

    Cash up front = 4.7million
    New property tax = 5million
    New sewer fees w/ Angler = 3million
    New meals tax w/ Angler = 5million
    Golf course profit = 6-9million

    Current property tax = 3million
    Sewer fees w/out Angler=?1.5million
    Meals tax current = 6million


    Total cash w/ Angler = 34-37million
    Total with out Angler = 10.5million

    Total payment w/ Angler = 21million
    Total without Angler = 17million

    With Angler, Elkton would have had 13-16 million in revenues over 20yrs. Without Angler, Elkton will be looking at a deficit of 6.5million over 20yrs. This deficit does not include the costs to settle with Angler. Which house would you rather live in?

     
  • At 7/24/2006 4:52 PM, Blogger Elkton Alum said…

    Thanks Dave for the numbers. I've seen similar numbers from someone else who also has done some research. The numbers speak for themselves. Those who think the new council did the right thing by accepting Angler's letter of default are living with their head in the sand. Can anyone who TRULY believes in this new council please show any kind of numbers that doesn't have the town going millions in the hole. It's OK to disagree, but please do so with facts! This Angler contract is a business deal and is binding. Wouldn't you think the new council would have sat down and really, really tried to understand what they have? I've read Mr.O'Neil say he hadn't really read over the whole contract. WHAT? Who else is making decision without reading or understanding the ramifications of their actions.
    As far as the golf course not being wanted by Elktonians....If someone gave you a house and all you had to do was pay the utilities, would you turn it down?? I think the vast majority would say that's a no brainer and accept the house, even if they took it just to resell later. That's what we had with the golf course. Angler was giving us a 5-6 million golf course.
    It's time the council made a phone call to Angler and set up a meeting!!

     
  • At 7/24/2006 6:00 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Elkton Alum, It is as I have said on a number of occasions. Each and every time I have presented factual data the ASoPs would come back and question the facts, but not one would bother to verify what I have written or come back with facts supporting their stance. How can you debate an issue when the other side is so totally unprepared on the issues and so totally dedicated to those they support they will not even consider another possible avenue of action.

    It boggles my mind that Mike has made some of the statements he has. He seems to shoot off of the cuff like Mr. Printz. Three million is chump change, not in my mind.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 7:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It seems to me that the only people who are tuning into this blog are the ones who are chewing on sour grapes. You can be negative and disaffected all you like, you can moan and complain, but the only people who were supporting the golf course were the ones who looked to make a buck off of it. Look at the people who were on the Park Authority and their professions--all for development at all cost. If the golf course was going to make a red cent, Angler would not have been giving it away. If it was anything except a money pit, Angler would not have required the town to hold the course for 7 years before trying to sell it. You can interpret the numbers any way you like, it's just spin.

    It's just sad to hear so much spewing from so few people who have so little else to do except nurse their imagined "poor me" woes. I'm sorry that Mr. Corbo is offended that he's now asked to shoulder some of the costs associated with all the town services he got for free for years before he was annexed, the costs that Elkton residents shouldered to provide free services (water, sewer and police protection) to County residents for years. For all the time you had a free ride, thank Randall Snow and the Council of the 1990's (also known as the "Dean Machine"). The rest of us are happy you're now paying your share!

     
  • At 7/24/2006 7:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous 7:19-you are obviously one of the non-reading, non-thinking, non understanding crider/printz-ignor all facts and reason- cult members. do some research and find out why the 7 year provision was put in the contract. If you have no facts to support your arguement, you simply call the other guy's information spin and sour grapes, but then if you are incapable of logic and debate that's understandable.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 8:10 PM, Blogger Elkton Alum said…

    7-24-06, To the 7:19 poster, you are correct in your statement that the Town could not sell the golf course for 7 years. Here's why....Our Mayor made the statement while in final negotiations with Angler that when the golf course is officially ours, we would just put it up for sale and recoup another 5-6 million. Angler overheard this and revised the language to state we needed to keep ownership for 7 years. Thanks Mayor Printz.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yeah, a municipal golf course is a real cash cow. Ask Harrisonburg how well it's going. I think they might maybe break even in about 100 years, if Heritage Oaks can land a spot on the PGA. Elkton's dodged a bullet.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 9:51 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Concerning the 7:19 poster.

    It is really tough to try to debate an issue with someone who knows little to nothing about what they are attempting to speak about.

    Concerning all of the freebies I received from the town, let us see.
    Before being annexed I paid for water usage and sewer service. Still pay the same. Elkton police did not patrol our neighborhood, the County Sheriff did. They also assisted the town under the mutual aid agreement. It went both ways. Elkton did not plow or clean our street, the County did. Nothing free from Elkton here.

    Fire and Rescue is now and was provided by the volunteer squads, supported by both Town and County taxes and donationa. Nothing free from Elkton here.

    For garbage disposal I now pay $10.00 per month to Elkton, before annexation I was able to dump my trash at the transfer station with no additional charges, paid by County taxes. Nothing free from Elkton here.

    For the additional taxes I now have to pay to the Town of Elkton I receive absolutely nothing in return over and above what I received as a County resident. About the only thing I do get is the priviledge of being a resident of a town that is the laughing stock of the County.

    Would you and your closed mind care to debate this further?

     
  • At 7/24/2006 9:59 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To the 8:47 poster, you forget one big difference between the proposed Elkton golf course and the others. There would be no debt load to be paid off. The course was to be donated free and clear to the Elkton Park Authority. Also Angler was to provide about $684,000 for start up costs for the first two years. Would you like to compare these numbers to the Harrisonburg course and Heritage Oaks?

    Again another attempting to debate something they know nothing about. As others have said, not one of the detracters of the project can offer any facts to support their stance. Just keep spouting nothingness.

     
  • At 7/24/2006 11:36 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Anonymous at 7:19,

    If the following is spin, please un-spin it - to show us sour grapes how the golf course would fail to make a profit.

    Lets run, actually, walk through the golf course numbers (no spinning, just math). We will go slowly so everyone can keep up. With 18,000 rounds, the course would break even - that means pay for itself (the course overhead) which includes but is not limited to: course maintenance, pro shop, maintenance staff, teaching and management staff, cart maintenance, etc. It is very important to remember that no money will be owed on this course. Think of it this way: If someone gave you a car that was paid for, you would be very lucky not to have to make payments. However, you would still have to pay for basic maintenance. This basic maintenance is the overhead you would have to pay on your debt free car.

    The average fee for a round of golf at our course would have been $40 per round. 40$ per round times 18,000 rounds is $720,000. A golf course community of 600 homes was to be built around this course. Why do people buy into a golf course community (which Harrisonburg does not have)? Do you think it is because they like to play golf?

    Now here is a word problem based on the numbers above. Don’t worry, I am going to solve it for you. You will not have to solve any word problems –just read them. With 600 homes having people who like to play golf in them, how many rounds per year will each house have to produce for the golf course to break even? Lets see…18,000 rounds divided by 600 homes is…30 rounds per household! Now lets understand that there are probably only 8 months of good golfing weather – some years more, some years less. How many good golfing days would that be? 8 months times 30 days is 240 days of good golfing weather. Another word problem: How often must someone from one of the golf course community homes play golf for the course to break even? Hmmm…240 good golfing days divided by 30 rounds is 8 days. So, we could say that the households of the golf course community must play an average of once a week. If people like to play golf, it does not seem like much of a stretch to think they will play once a week.

    Here is an extra credit problem. If you think 18,000 rounds is not enough, just substitute 24,000 rounds as a break even number and go through the same math as above. How often must someone from the golf course community play for the course to break even? They must play once every six days. That is once a week for five weeks and then twice on the sixth week. Again, this does not seem to be like much of a stretch for people who like to play golf.

    So far, we have been dealing with the course breaking even just through the people that would have lived in the golf course community. Now lets turn our attention to the many area golfers that would much rather play a course closer to home. Just with locals, the number of golfers would likely double. Now, here is another word problem. If locals (within 20 minutes of our golf course) doubled the number of rounds played, how much profit would the coarse generate? 18-24,000 rounds times $40 per round is $720,000-$960,000. And don’t forget that this means 18-24000 more visitors to our lovely town spending money at local businesses.

    Finally, lets consider the non-locals. This would be people who have to drive more that 20 minutes to get to the golf course. This is a much larger pool of golfers from which we may draw. It is not unreasonable to think that they would add another 18-24000 rounds per year (another $720,000-$960,000 of revenue). Even if you disagree with those numbers, keep this number in mind. For every 1000 rounds of golf, $40,000 dollars of revenue is generated. Also keep in mind we have already paid for the golf course yearly operating budget in the first 18-24000 rounds.

    To all: I apologize for the length of this post, just trying to make a point with the ASoPs

     
  • At 7/25/2006 2:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    any one out there read George Orwells "Amimal Farm"? Do any of the groups in that book seem similar to the political groups in Elkton? Who would be napoleon? the sheep? snowball? squealer, major,? List any others you can think of and then amuse youself with these comparisons. Share them with us.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 6:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To Anonymous who is so beleagured with unbelievable stupidity by referring to the Mayor and Mrs. Crider as crider/printz, you are absolutely disgusting and loathsome. To the those who seem so unhappy here, and want to divide this wonderful Town into two factions, we will be happy to escort the likes of you as far away as possible. Then we can live in peace here without Corbo and others of his like-minded ilk. Thank God Donachy is "kaput". Bowling Green and Elkton are breathing a huge sigh of relief. Now we are faced with a town that desparately needs cleanup - a job which Donachy never started - probably too busy double dipping selling real estate on the side. WISE UP ELKTON! There are those who are leading you on, not for the good of Elkton, but for their own self-ego. Talk about "Animal Farm? The sheep are YOU, being led by a self-manical blowhard, who thinks he knows better than you what is best for you and Elkton. Stand up for the things YOU believe in, not on somebody who constantly belittles the very home in which you live.

    Did you read yesterday's DNR paper?Wonder how a photographer just happened to be there to catch the "Activist" How come my pregnant granddaughter and her family, including her 7 year old son, weren't conveniently photographed when they picked up trash along Route 340 in the hot sun??? Of course not - they don't self-promote themselves - they go about quietly volunteering to make Elkton, and Virginia a more beautiful and cleaner place to live. They don't have to ADVERTISE their good deeds. Oh. yes, yesterday's paper is shredded and in the chicken house, where it belongs.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 6:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The great Vic Corbo has his facts wrong. The county didn't plow his road, the state did. Your tax dollars in Elkton now go pay for infrastructure, not just for the water you put on your lawn and waste you flush out. NOW you're paying your share.

    Why don't you get your buddy
    Dick Myers and the other people along 33 West to pay their fair share and we'll all be happy. Let's hear it for Randall and the "Dean Machine" (that's a blast from the past)who let them have town services without paying town taxes.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 7:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hey-6;15 and 6;39 -if you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with B.S. your inability to recognize things that are good for the community is only outdone by your ignorance. At least the council that you so lovingly call the "dean machine" had brains and the ability to do what was right for the town. This present crider/printz cult is so mindless that they don't know what to do with factual information even after its presented at the kindergarten level. The crider/printz bozo's need to be in your chicken house keeping you and your other clucks company. Keep doing what you have always done. throw out your distractors,lies, and misinformation and maybe no one will notice how stupid you really are.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To 7:51 Anonymous:

    You spend a lot of energy calling everyone you disagree with "stupid" and ignorant. You also seem to be very threatened by the "cult-like" powers of the mayor's friends.

    Two observations: 1) You're obviously not from around here and you don't know us very well. I'm sure, though, that your mother would be very disappointed in how vicious and mean you are, and

    2) There's a psychological phenomenon whereby you identify and villify qualities in other people that you dislike in yourself. Carl Jung called it "projection," and you, madam, are a textbook case.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 8:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "At least the council that you so lovingly call the "dean machine" had brains and the ability to do what was right for the town."

    The group that ran the water and sewer lines to the Food Lion (didn't pay town taxes or BPOL taxes). Closed down Picklesimers and the IGA (twice). When the Shen Elk Plaza went up for sale (because the above approved water and sewer lines caused the plaza to go bankrupt), the town had a chance to buy it. But the "dean machine" said it was too expensive.

    When it went up for foreclosure, guess who bought it - - - Mayor Dean and his investment group (that happened to include the McDaniel Group).

    So let's look to see who's on the park authority--the Deans and McDaniels.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 10:20 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    The great Vic Corbo, and all of the citizens of Elkton, are paying for the totally decrepit infrastructure that has been allowed to fall to ruin because of lack of proper maintenance and modernization. Where has all the tax dollars gone for those items?

    Seems like over the years all of the councils have neglected to properly maintain the town. At the last council meeting it was brought out that a yard trash project could not be done because the one and only dump truck is in such a bad state that the cab is rusting off of the frame and cannot be used. The boom truck for hoisting electrical transformers and setting telephone poles is unsafe because the boom mechanism is rusting off of the chassis, and cannot be used. Where has all the tax dollars gone?

    The sewer lines have so much infiltration of ground water when it rains that the capacity of the sewerage treatment plant can be brought to maximum in heavy rains. A smoke test of the system was done a few years ago and smoke was coming out of peoples basement and garage drains due to illegal connections to the system. Yet nothing seems to have been done about that study. Where has all the tax dollars gone?

    The water system is in such a state that heavy water usage causes residents water to become muddy. More often than not the folks in Elkwood have such insufficient water pressure they cannot even take a shower. Just ask any resident of the area. Where has all the tax dollars gone?

    All of the problems can only be fixed with one thing, MONEY. With the town being over $6 million in debt how do you think this new council can accomplish anything meaningful without a source of additional revenue. Are the ASoPs willing to dig deep into their pockets to pull the town out of the impending financial disaster?

    All of the above does not even take into consideration the commitment the town has to get water and sewer to the rest of the annexed areas over the next couple of years. This includes the Mt. Pleasant and Newtown Rd areas. Lots of dollars here and no current way to pay for this. Where has all the tax dollars gone?

    It is readily apparent that no planning has been done to set aside money for infrastructure upkeep and modernization. I guess all of the prior councils have lived and spent for the day and probably never heard of 5, 10 or 15 year plans.

    Because of the lack of revenue a large shortfall was forcast in the budget prepared by Mr. Donachy and others. Mr. Printz, not wanting to take money out of savings to cover the shortfall figured he could magically fix things. The town is under a unfunded mandate to upgrade the sewer plant, yet Mr. Printz in his new budget is taking $100,000 out of the sewer fund and putting it into the general fund. How does he expect to pay for the sewer plant upgrade?

    Come on ASoPs, tell all of us non-believers how you and the council expect to fix the ills of the town with no money coming into the coffers?

    Remember the song, Where Have All The Flowers Gone. The latest version is Where Have All The Tax Dollars Gone?

    Keep your heads in the sand and maybe things will blow over. Maybe very wishful thinking. You stand on the mantra of "we like the town the way it is" just does not hold water. The way it is, is a real disaster. As Sargent Joe Friday said on many an occasion, Here are the facts, just the facts. Now where are yours?

     
  • At 7/25/2006 10:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hey, studied Carl Jung - didn't like him, didn't like his rantings, and come to think about it, don't like you either. My wife says se doesn't like you either cause you're mean.

    See if you act like ugly children, we treat you like ugly children. Grow up - stop the non-sensical blogging where you are wasting you life away in misery because you think you are not getting your way.
    AAAAAH! Put a little love in your heart, love your neighbors and you will survive. Oh He will also "protect"you from yourself. Sleep on it. God Bless!

     
  • At 7/25/2006 11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Platitudes,adages, axioms - they go on and on. Most of the bloggers have such great insight as to what is going on in Elkton. We are hoping for a progressive change for the better from the newly elected council. Let's all work and get behine them, not wait to catch them in any little miscue. Watchdogging in a malicious manner is "stalking and harassment.? It is not a sport to take delight in every miniscule misstep. Let your friends, family and neighbors know you want the best for Elkton, and do not let anybody impose their misguidedd anger towards you and your core beliefs. We want to hold our heads up high and be proud we live here in freedom and love.

     
  • At 7/25/2006 11:22 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    ASoP at 6:15,
    My ego bears no weight on my decision to post facts on this blog. As for belittling Elkton, when has anyone belittled the people of Elkton? If asking people to form their own opinions about what their council is doing by giving them facts is belittling I guess I am guilty of that. But I have not called anyone disgusting or loathsome, not even the council. Thanks to your granddaughter and her family for picking up trash along 340.

    ASoP at 6:39,
    State or county, the fact is the Town did not plow Vic’s road. If this is the best you can do with debating the facts, you’ve lost already. Do you know who paid to have the water and sewer lines installed along 33 west? Do you know if the businesses that paid for the water and sewer line installation pay for those services? You should not post something like that, in an effort to build a defensible position unless you know these facts.

    Anon at 7:51,
    I know this is exasperating, but try to be nice.

    ASoP at 8:31,
    Just because you can quote Carl Jung doesn’t make you a psychologist. I can quote Freud and I detect no degree of threat in the previous post. So which of us is right? I also see no way to support the statement “you’re obviously not from around here”.

    ASoP at 8:59,
    Let’s see…installing water and sewer lines causes a plaza with only two or three tenants to go bankrupt…how does that work? More likely it was the lack of tenants that caused bankruptcy.

    ASoP at 11:00,
    The new council has given us no direction. Which way are we going? At the moment, moving away from Angler looks like financial suicide. I am going to take up Jeff’s plea – SHOW US THE MONEY!! Once the council does, I am sure most of this blogging will blow over.

    To all,
    The DNR had a fine article about a great servant of the town. Gerald Monger has given his time and energy to serve the town for many years and I for one am happy to see it recognized. I believe he had some advise in that article about doing what is best for the town even in the face of adversity. Think we can clone seven of him and put up a new council?

     
  • At 7/26/2006 9:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dave - thank you. Another voice of reason. We're finding out that negatiivity just isn't getting us anywhere except to fan the flames of dislike for those we think oppose our views. From now on let's agree to only write informative posts that are positive in nature.

    The DNR has redeemed itself with its great article on Gerald Monger. As you say, wish we could clone that man - he was always available, and always the most pleasant man to be around. Thank God Lee Dearing was around when he needed him most. We always think of Gerald with affection and goodness. As for the council members, please give them time to prove themselves. They may surprise you. Please keep an open mind.

    Anonymous means Anonymous. For those who wish to post anonymously, that is their right. Computer literate people try so very hard to "out" the anonymous bloggers, but sometimes they "out" the wrong party. Privacy is privacy, and no one has the right to bridge that privacy.

    Let's keep a lot of love in our hearts for everyone, even those we disagree with. Let's forgive each other, and not let the rhnetoric get so heated we continue to throw "brick bats" at each other. Peace!

     
  • At 7/26/2006 11:00 AM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    It is really interesting to read the entries here. A number of us, Jeff, Dave, Elkton Alum, some anons and myself post mostly factual information with proof in the offering.

    I do not believe one of the ASoPs have offered any real tangible facts about the past and present deeds of the ruling council and mayor.

    Myself and others have not attacked the residents of Elkton, yet some of the posters are hell bent on calling us names and blaming us for the ills of the Town. When the error of their posts are pointed out all they can do is praise those they believe in and ask us all to pray to God. Many of us do in our own way and do not bring our faith into the politics of the town. The two do not mix.

    As for the article that appeared in the DNR. I didn not seek any kind of publicity. I believe it started because of Lee Dearing's comment at the last council meeting. I did not ask that the article be done. Jennie called me and asked when I would be out picking up trash. She sent the photographer. I was not alone on Sunday. I was assisted by Jay Dean, Cole McGregor, and Randell Snow. I asked the photographer to get shots of everyone involved. Sadly this did not occur.

    I was hoping the article would peak the interest of others in town to get involved in the project and come out to help. With some of you this seems to have had the opposite effect. Your dislike of me has blinded you to what could be a worthwhile endeavor. The more involved the easier the task.

    I enjoyed reading the article about Mr. Monger. It was probably long overdue. The award presented to Mr. Monger was the result of work done by Rick Workman and the members of the last council. I have not yet seen a mention of their efforts by any of you.

    As a couple of you have said. Do not blindly believe what another person tells you. Investigate the facts and make your own informed decision. Notice I said Informed. Without the facts you are only deluding yourself.

     
  • At 7/26/2006 12:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I've read comments about the Park Authority, but who is actually on it? And now that the Angler Deal done what happens to the Park Authority?

     
  • At 7/26/2006 12:46 PM, Blogger Missy said…

    Vic, I think the article in the DNR was very nice, as well as the one concerning Gerald Monger. He is definitely a man that should get some recognition. It is nice to see some good things written about Elkton for a change!

     
  • At 7/26/2006 4:17 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Anon at 12:42,

    Though I am not 100% on this, I believe the original Park Authority was (in alphabetical order):

    Herb Baugher, Ishmael Baugher, Pete Bonovita, David Dean, Joe Flick, Tom Galvin, Clyde McDaniel, Gerald Monger, Randall Snow, and Rick Workman. The PA was set up to have two council men on its board, which when formed were Mr. Snow and Mr. Workman. Clyde McDaniel was replaced on the PA when he accepted the position of deceased councilman Sigafoose. Herb Baugher’s position on the PA was replaced as a result of his passing away. The two replacements were Barry Ream, and Bruce Senn. I believe the PA could be dissolved by the council. They have not met since the new council took office, and only once since the elections.

    Of course the ASoPs may argue that these men were not the PA, but they will not tell us who they think was on the PA.

    ASoP at 8:39,

    Take a look at the list above. Though Mr. McDaniel started on the PA, he has not been on it for some time and Charlie Dean has never been on the PA. Just get the facts straight before you post, otherwise you look......(no name calling here).

     
  • At 7/26/2006 4:18 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Sorry if I misspelled any names from the PA.

     
  • At 7/27/2006 5:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It's not difficult to spot a man who has nothing to say, it takes him about 10 pages to do it.

     
  • At 7/27/2006 9:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sounds like the mayor speaking. Never answers a question with a direct answer. Rambles on for pages and never comits an answer.

     
  • At 7/27/2006 10:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hey 5:41

    good stuff. you tell em. real good stuff.

     
  • At 7/27/2006 10:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    9:39 PM. Now why did you have to go and spoil a good quote and interject the Mayor's name into it. Can't resist, can you?

    Yes, we do think the Mayor is a decent honorable and good person, and we will continue to stand with him, and the council. You don't have to like him, or us, but at least respect the Office of the Mayor and those voters who re-elected him. That is their right and privilege. Was going to write something nasty regarding you, but then, there is so much hatred and anger already on the blogs, - we all decided you weren't worth it.

    To the creature who is so busy degrading themselves by attempting to E-Mail pornographic material on to bloggers computers, the proper authorities have been notified, and you will be hearing from them.

     
  • At 7/27/2006 10:45 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    If you are having problems with someone attempting to place unwanted stuff on your machine, maybe you need to protect yourself from such problems.

    You should:

    1. Be running a proactive virus checker and insure the virus definitions are kept current.

    2. Have running a good adware detection program, and ensure the definitions are kept current.

    3. Be running a good firewall.

    Anyone surfing the internet needs to take these type of precautions. Without a firewall, any savy 14 yearold geek can invade your system and cause real havoc, especially if you are using either DSL, or Cable.

    Just some friendly, positive, advice from a long time computer geek.

     
  • At 7/28/2006 8:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thanks Corbo - good advice. Protective security devices are in place and have been for a long time. Despite this, a determined hacker can and will get through.
    The matter is being thoroughly investigated. "Computer geeks" - Some people are not as computer literate as you, but don't knock them - they are at least attempting to learn, slowly, but surely. Let the neophytes have some credit. Thanks!

     
  • At 7/28/2006 10:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dearest 10:11,
    You offend all truely decent and honorable people- you crider/printz cult members acept the mayor's facade that he projects to everyone but you can't see through it.Decent and honorable people sincerely care about community and family and exhibit moral values which are constant and continous. They surely do not care about ego and power. If you cult members were not so blinded by your incessant and irrational devotion to your leader you would recognize this. of course cult members have never been known for their ability to think for themselves or figure things out for themselves. They blindly follow their master.

     
  • At 7/28/2006 5:55 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    I do not know how you interpreted my comments about "Computer Geeks" to be knocking anyone. I do not believe I was taking anything away from the neophytes having some credit. Just trying to offer some friendly advice.

    With proper precautions it will be much more difficult for someone to do damage to your system. I have a cable modem, a wireless router that has natural address translation firewall protection and am running all of the software I mentioned in the previous post. So far I have been lucky and have not had problems.

    To me being a "Computer Geek" is a term of endearment, nothing derogitory.

     
  • At 7/28/2006 6:04 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    What is it called, when a person is asked what the consequences of actions they plan to undertake will be, and their response is “I do not know”? Ignorance is what that is called. Before I am accused of name calling look it up. Now imagine that there is a document that tells this person what the consequences of their actions will be, but they choose not to read the document. If asked the same question and their response is still the same, what is that called? Irresponsible is what that is called. Again look it up – no name calling here. What do you call people when they put their trust in such persons? Gullible comes to mind – especially if the people are unaware of the persons irresponsibility. What do you call people when they give their trust to someone who has shown they are irresponsible?
    Summary:
    Don’t know the consequences of actions: ignorant
    Choose not to know the consequences of actions: irresponsible
    Trusting someone whose irresponsibility is unknown: gullible
    Trusting someone who is known to be irresponsible:

     
  • At 7/28/2006 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mr. Corbo: Our comment was not meant to criticize your comment about "Computer Geeks". Have family members who are Computer Geeks and admire their genuine enthusiasm in what they can learn about the wonders of computers.

    Now, on another subject, you seem to imply that the victim of an assault on their privacy is at fault, because you assume they do not have security protection on their computers. Not so! (It's like blaming a rape victim for the actions of her rapist, but we know that was not your intention.) We are informed by the authorities that this happens frequently, no matter how much protection you have. (Government Computers have been hacked into, regardless of their heavy security.) The sending of unwanted pornographic material to another computer is unlawful. We're leaving that up to the proper law enforcement officials.

     
  • At 7/28/2006 11:29 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Any time you venture into the unknown, and the internet is an unknown place, without taking proper precautions you do bear a portion of the blame if something happens to you.

    If you leave you house unlocked and someone enters and steals from you, you bear partial blame for not securing your property. The same goes for your automobile. Insurance companies have denied payment on this same premise.

    You cite government computers being hacked into. They probably have, from past experience, the worse security there is. To many slackers taking shortcuts to make their jobs easier.

    A big share of the security problems on the PC is probably Microsoft themselves. You can go out to their update site almost daily and find security patches for just about all the software on your computer. Internet Explorer, Outlook, and the base operating system as well. When was the last time you and most others have gone to the update site, downloaded and installed all of the available patches?

    But I have strayed from the real purpose of this site. I shall now revert to issues of interest to the citizens of Elkton.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 10:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    REPLYS TO 5:41 PM POSTING SHOW
    JUST HOW OUT OF TOUCH THE LOSERS OF THE LAST ELECTION CONTINUE TO BE AND JUST HOW FAR THEY HAVE THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND. IT IS NOT THE MAYOR WHO HAS FILLED THESE PAGES WITH RAMBLING DRIVEL. IT'S ALSO INTERESTING TO SEE HOW SOME REFER TO OTHERS AS IGNORANT WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW 'TO' FROM 'TOO' OR HOW TO SPELL 'COMMIT' OR 'DEROGATORY'. YES, IT'S USUALLY EASY TO SEE THE ONE WHO HAS NOTHING TO SAY, HE'S THE ONE DOING MOST OF THE TALKING (AND FREQUENTLY PULLING NUMBERS OUT OF THE AIR AND QUOTING THE 'THEY SAY') ....AND WITH THE NAME CALLING ...IT'S NOT NEW, I USED TO HEAR THIS WHEN I WAS IN THE 2ND GRADE. I AM SUPRISED WE HAVEN'T HAD A REQUEST FOR A RECOUNT ON THE ELECTION.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 12:23 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    10:48am,

    I would not normally comment on the spelling our grammar of anyone posting, but since you seem to care about that, you should look at the first “sentence” you posted. So as not to be hypocritical, you should pull the plank from your own eye, then, you can better see the speck in your brother’s eye. As for rambling drivel, and pulling numbers out of the air, where is your rebuttal? If our numbers are pulled from the air, you feel free to do the same. Lets see what the ASoPs know about the financial status of the town. I will not be holding my breath.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 12:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    COULD IT BE THE 'SPELLING OUR GRAMMAR' WAS MEANT TO BE 'SPELLING OR GRAMMAR'?
    CHECK YOUR FIRST SENTENCE. AS FOR A REBUTTAL.. YOUR CONTINUED RAMBLING DRIVEL IS IT'S OWN REBUTTAL. I'M NOT HOLDING MY BREATH BUT I'M SURE MORE OF THE SAME WILL FOLLOW. IT MUST BE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR VERY EXCITING DAY.ITT

     
  • At 7/29/2006 12:58 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    In reference to the 10:48 shouter.

    Let us see, replys - not, try replies.

    Dave thanks for giving the shouter the poke in the eye they deserve. If anyone has their head in the sand it surely is the ASoPs.

    Not one has yet to rebut any of our facts and figures, ours obtained from the contracts, treasurers reports, etc., with anything meaningful. Let us see what kind of intelligent reply they come back with, or just more loving Mr. Printz/hating us diatribe.

    Come on folks, how about an intelligent, meaningful debate and not just your loving/hating stance. Educate yourself to the real facts and figures and then present your side as we have done ours. Or is this asking too much?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    One set of figures we seem to overlook, ..... 'election results'. They were obtained from newspapers, tv, radio and other sources not subject to estimates. Thank you.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 2:21 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To 1:29. Election results are no real indication of what is and what is not. They only prove that some are better at kissing babies, baffling with BS and telling people what that want to hear and not what is real. Also buying votes with promises of personal favors, giving away free car wash tokens and other such campaign tactics probably helped a great deal.

    Having the Neighborhood Watch political action committee working for you probably helped sway the vote to a great extent.

    How about negative campaign speeches and newspaper ads. Do not stand on your platform but blame all that is wrong on your opponent. If you attended the EPIC forum you would have seen this first hand. Each time Mr. Printz was asked a question he launched into a diatribe about what was wrong with the town and who was to blame. Never said a thing about what he would like to do to make things better. Mostly blamed his opponent Mr. Snow for all the ills of the town. The moderator had to cut Mr. Printz off a couple of times because his diatribe long exceeded the time limit.

    The last issue of The Valley Banner before the election had campaign ads from a number of candidates. Four of them stated their platforms, the one from Mr. Printz went into a long diatribe, again blaming all the ills of the town on Mr. Snow. If you cannot stand on your own, blame everyone else. Seems to have worked for Mr. Printz.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 2:31 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    12:43pm,
    Touché – just shows that relying on a spell checker will not always find ones errors.
    I had some smart retorts here, but they will get us nowhere. Is there not one ASoP that will “pull a number out of the air” to tell those of us who don’t get it, what is the towns debt? Or did the new council plant an orchard of money trees? Will someone please tell me what the plan is for the town to cover all the money it has spent? Does anyone have any other “estimates” as to what the town has spent? As for this being an important part of my day, you are not jealous are you?

    1:29pm,
    I have never overlooked the results of the election. I have stated several times that Mr. Printz received 75% of the vote (based on voter turn out this was about 35% of the towns eligible voters). And obviously, if we are talking about the “new” council, there is recognition that the “old” council was voted out. That is fine with me. I spend less than I earn. I have saved to be able to pay my debts. What does the town have? Anybody know how much is in the “rainy day” fund? I have to get off line now, I hear a storm coming.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 2:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ELECTION RESULTS MAY NOT BE AN INDICATION OF WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT
    BUT THEY IZ A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION OF WHO IZ COUNCIL AND WHO IZ NOT. AND THE IZ NOTS SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW. MAYBE SUM DEY. SIGN ME, JELLUS AN GREEN WITH ENVEE

     
  • At 7/29/2006 2:54 PM, Blogger Missy said…

    OK, yes this council did win the election by a landslide, but do you realize that just over half of the registered voters voted?
    Over 47% of the registered voters in Elkton did not vote during the last election and now that their taxes will probably go up do you think those voters may now wish that they had cast a vote?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 3:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Astounding isn't it- the jokers who keep repeating the same blather over and over again. All they can do is castigate the Mayor, and charge that we don't give a rebuttal. When we do, we are called ignorant, ASoP's, and a few other choice words. Dave, who cited the quote regarding "the plank in your brother's eye", (an old Danish proverb), should turn that around and look at himself. Corbo only attacks with innuendos and unproven facts, (although his perception of "facts" is subject to his interpretation of facts.) We've been through this, over and over again.

    As for the Neighborhood Watch, and anybody who supports the Mayor, they are deemed to be in a "cult", "brainwashed" etc. Ha! Takes one to know one - so by the same token, because you post hateful messages against the Mayor, aren't you in a "cult", brainwashed, ignorant, etc?????
    What a waste of valuable time coming up with as many mean things as you can to critique the Mayor. Hey, as Dave says, "You don't see the plank in your own eyes" because you're too busy being blind to your own faults.

    To the jerk who thinks he knows so much about grammer, how pathetic you are to pick on something so miniscule as a supposedly mispelled word. Proves you have nothing constructive to say. Now if you have nothing else to pick on, go play with your toys, and grow up.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 3:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Re: 2:54 Are there any other verses to that song?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 3:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Silly, silly us, thought this site was supposed to let individuals have their say regarding Elkton. Yet when they do, some ignoramous will post all sorts of nasty stuff and call those same individuals derogatory names. Know why Corbo doesn't like the Neighborhood Watch? They didn't support him because they didn't TRUST him. So now the Neighborhood Watch and all the Mayor's supporters are in his sights to take down with his odious rantings. Yep - he's got a vendetta against them because he lost by a landslide. He still doesn't get it - and he never will. More's the pity!

     
  • At 7/29/2006 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How many elections does one have to lose before they accept the fact that someone else won?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 3:52 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    When you give a rebuttal? I have yet to see anything meaningful and substantial in what you and others have written. How can any of you attempt to sway the thinking of others unless you offer some educated substantiated data? Now that Mr. Printz has won, what plans does he have to save the town financially? It would be nice to know.

    Everything I have written concerning the election is substantiated by witnesses and newspaper articles. Ask the lady at the Laundromat how often someone came in and gave away the carwash tokens just prior to election day. Ask the director of public works who had him send a load of stone to be spread somewhere where it only benefited one person. Ask the owner of Good Ole Boys, who promised to get him a refund on his electric bill just prior to election. These are just a few of the incidents. Campaign ethics at its finest.

    There is nothing hateful in what I have written. Facts, just the facts, provable. If Mr. Printz can state that he will work to get rid of the Town Manager, why can I not state that I will work to get rid of the mayor? I see no difference.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 4:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Corbo, you are just the worst person ever. You want to get rid of the Mayor as much as we want to get rid of you and your hate and anger. Who the hell are you to think we should log on to your ideals? Is there a difference between the Mayor wanting to rid of Donachy and you're wanting to get rid of the Mayor? Hell yes! You are so hate driven you cannot see the hate you are creating in us toward you. NOTING HATEFUL IN WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN???? Go back and reread that paragraph where you state you want to get rid of the Mayor. Isn't that hateful?? Can't you get it into that thick skull of yours that YOU LOST the election??? Can't you see all the havoc you are creating by your blindness in not accepting others ideals because they don't conform to yours? You are pathetic!

     
  • At 7/29/2006 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The election was your rebuttal, 'o thou of many words.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 4:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Don't argue with an idiot, he'll take the discussion down to his level and beat you with experience.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 5:13 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    I do not care that I did not get a seat on the council. I ran on my own platform with no help from others. For a first time candidate, an outsider, and a northerner, I think getting 25% of the vote was a pretty decent showing.

    How is my wanting to get rid of the mayor any more hateful than him stating he wanted to get rid of Mr. Donachy. Seems like you have a double standard here. Is it OK for someone you like to say something but not for someone else to say the same thing? I have never said I hated you or Mr. Printz, those are your words. Disliking his politics is a far cry from hatred.

    I present factual information and all you can do is blast me for my position. Talk to a couple of the folks I mentioned and see if I lied. Sometimes the truth can hurt.

    As I have said before, trying to debate the facts with the likes of you is like trying to deprogram a member of a cult, nearly impossible. Instead of blasting those who disagree with you, find out the facts and make an informed decision. I know, facts, facts, facts. Somethings that only get in the way of illogical thinking.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A wise man once said, "the more our guest declared his honesty, the faster we counted the spoons".

     
  • At 7/29/2006 5:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The difference between a town manager and a mayor: one was hired by no more than six people, the other was elected by 600, get it?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 5:42 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    If one believes that an elected body is not doing what is in the best interest of the electorate, it is ones duty to work to remove that body. That is what happened in the last election. Mr. Printz and the new council got the ASoPs out to vote. No one posting on this site can change the results of that election. What we can do is seek to inform others of why they need to speak up at council meetings. Or if you are an ASoPs, you can tray to convince everyone why they should just stay home and trust the new council with the finances of the town.

    I got the plank in the eye from Mathew 7 and Luke 6.

    As far as rebuttal goes, it would be nice to read a comment from an ASoP that is factually informative. We know what your opinions are – plenty of those to go around. What facts did you learn that swayed your opinion to support the new council? “We did not want a golf course” is no answer. Why didn’t you want a golf course? “There is to much liability.” What is the liability? When someone says it cost the town 1.7million for the community center, don’t just say this is a made up number. Tell us what you believe the costs of the community center to be. Same with the Chicken Hill upgrades, the M.E. Kite property, the Hiram Kite property, the Taylor property, the waste treatment plant upgrades, default to Angler. What were, or will be the costs to the town for the above-mentioned items? Or, do you deny that money was spent or will be spent for them? Or is it just damn the facts and leave us alone?

    I have come to realize that no ASoP will change their opinion through this dialog. However, I will continue to post in the event that someone who did not vote in the last election reads this blog.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 6:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Previous council-- WE spoke up and were ignored! Ignored! Ignored!

    Present council-- We elected and they have responded!
    They deserve the respect to which the office is entitled and the opportunity to try to solve the town's problems in their term of office. Please quit trying to discredit their efforts and sink the boat before they can even get it into the water. I believe some only wish to see them fail without any regard to the best interest of the town. Please show some respect.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 6:26 PM, Blogger Elkton Alum said…

    Vic, They just don't like you. I don't believe it's even political any longer. The facts you present are factual, they (those who don't like you) don't even attempt to dispel those. They just continue to spout hatred towards you. It's like a mother protecting a child. The cult like following is a good synomyn to what's going on here.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 6:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I guess there really are no other verses to that song!!!

     
  • At 7/29/2006 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ain't this fun? And they say we don't have anything to do in elkton.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 7:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yep- lots of fun. You want verses - consult your Bible. Hey Corbo, we didn't get any car wash tokens, but we voted for the Mayor anyway. You've been here two years and you think you know this town? You say you deal in facts - that landslide by which you lost so miserably aint' a 25% win. The voters sure knew what they were doing. No matter how you spin it, they WON!!! You are OUT and the new council is IN. Of course you'll answer back with the same garbage that this is not a rebuttal to your diatribes.

    You are a real corker. The persons (there were more than one)who had pornographic material posted on their computers, you implied they did not have enough protective security on their computers and they were partly to blame. Our law enforcement investigators could not believe you actually would make these persons double victims. Yes, Corbo, these people have total up-to-date security, but still the evildoers pentrated their privacy by posting this filthy material. So who are you to tell these people they are partly at fault. How dare you!!! You know more than the experts? You are so unbelievably smug. God forbid it should ever happen to you.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 7:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous 7:44 PM. How could anybody be as callous as Corbo and make insinuations regarding fault when someone has a crime perpetrated against them? Being doubly victimized is unforgiveable. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You want facts??
    Mr. Carbo ran for council.
    Mr. Carbo lost in his run for
    council.
    Someone else won the seat on
    the council.
    Mr. Carbo thinks the people
    want him on the council.
    Mr. Carbo is wrong or he'd be
    on the council.


    How's dem for facts???

     
  • At 7/29/2006 8:31 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Everbody alredy noes dem factz. Tell uz how we gonna pay dat trubly dett?

    If you are having trouble with invaders on your computer, check out D-Link DSD-150. This is basically an external firewall. You plug your computer into this device and this device then plugs into you web connection. It can be configured from your computer to block all incoming requests for information. It also has a visible indicator that will let you see when incoming traffic is trying to access your computer. If you see a potential threat, it is quick and easy to unplug.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    HEY, ANONYMOUS 8:17 PM - LOVE YOU. YOUR MESSAGE - SHORT AND TO THE POINT. EGOTISTICAL PEOPLE HAVE NO CONSCIENCES, SO IT WILL NEVER PENETRATE. PITIFUL ISN'T IT!

     
  • At 7/29/2006 8:49 PM, Blogger Elkton Alum said…

    7-29-06..Dave dems funy wordz, thanks for the humor.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    During our 'ninety-eight years of mis-management', the town always paid their bills. Now that we are back to the old 'mis-management' system again perhaps they will get paid as before.
    Got to give the council credit for trimming some fat. Perhaps this is a good beginning, and a step in the direction of sound fiscal responsibility. Something that seems to have been missing for a while.
    Let's let them try their methods instead of just saying any view point other than your own is wrong.
    Certainly any voice of reason can grant that. I hesitate to say this lest I become like those whose methods I oppose, but we survived
    before these deliverers arrived on the scene, is it just possible we might survive once more?

     
  • At 7/29/2006 10:42 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    9:08,
    Do you think the town ever spent as much as they have in one period of six years over those past 98? Regardless, I hope you are right.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 11:50 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Elkton Alum, Thanks for your insight into what seems to be status quo around here. I care not whether some like me or not. As long as what I post is factual I can hold my head up high and withstand the attacks by the believers.

    You are probably correct about their stance, even when just presenting some information on how to protect themselves from computer hacking they attempt to turn things around as if I were blaming them for all the problems in the world.

    It is not my opinion about who is right or wrong but what I said about shared blame is a real situation with the insurance companies. Many home owners policies have clauses that if you do not carry at least a certain percentage of your homes value the insurer may not have to pay anything in case of loss, not even the amount you have insured. You are being blamed for not having sufficient coverage. If you leave your keys in your car and it is stolen, you share the blame because you left the keys. Ask most any insurance agent.

    Computer hacking is bad business and those doing so should be prosecuted fully. Hopefully just some stupid individual getting their kicks and not direct planned attacks on any one individual.

    Let us see how this will be turned around.

     
  • At 7/29/2006 11:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    to 10:42 Obviously, I haven't really witnessed all those years myself, but I am certain there have been times of concern about overextension. Maybe in relative proportions as opposed to today's situation, perhaps not. You sound sincere in wishing the best for our town, let's hope that is the ultimate resolve without 'I'm right, you're wrong', overriding all other concerns.
    Is there not room for different approaches and different ideas all in pursuit of a common desire for that which is the best, for the most? Let those entrusted with this task have a chance to tackle the chore as they reason best. There will be time enough to say 'I told you so', and more elections opportunities to say 'we told you so'. But for the moment, give them a chance to rescue the cat before we start trying to shoot them out of the tree.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 8:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    11:52 Thanks - a voice of reason. Let's let our elected officials do their job without interference, intimidation and harassment. They were elected by the majority of the voters. Those opposed - you are insulting the intelligence of those voters. See you in Church - we'll ask the good Lord to grant you love, peace and forgiveness. Amen!

     
  • At 7/30/2006 9:26 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    11:52,

    I agree that there can be different approaches to solve the problems. And I do not care to tell anyone I am right and they are wrong. I am all for letting the elected officials move on with trying to solve the problems. My difficulty lies in the approach of doing something without knowing or understanding the consequences. The council stated that they did not know the consequences of axing the Angler deal. I do hope they can get the cat out of the tree. And I promise, here and now, to congratulate them if they do. But somehow the cat looks to be moving farther up the tree. Maybe a longer ladder will be needed.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 9:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dave -thanks for the advise regarding protecting your computer from unwanted material. Your advise was welomed. Thanks again.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 9:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Oh Lord, deliver us from people who can not and will not project a positive future for the good citizens of Elkton. No matter how many times you are asked to give the Council and Mayor their God given right to do their jobs, somebody has to interject their negative views and shoot down the people who have faith and trust in the elected officals of this town. Please, for goodness sake, let's posit uplifting and enlightening messages, instead of second guessing our council and Mayor. Look for the best, not anticipate the worst.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 12:33 PM, Blogger Missy said…

    I am willing to give the new council a chance, but they need to show that they have a plan of action in mind. I'm concerned about our towns future and what it may look like. To the 8:30 poster, you say to let the new council do their job without interference, was the last council allowed to do this? And I am insulted that you think you need to ask for my forgiveness just because I don't agree with you. Maybe in Church this morning I should have asked for your forgiveness.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 1:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Gloom and doom. The sky is falling. But there is good news. The roads out of Elkton are still open, as this morning. The concern of some for our town, sounded out over and over is beginning to sound suspect. Reality is becoming apparent. The one who's is screaming the loudest about the fox coming is probably the one with the most chickens to lose. So much concern about what going to happen to somebody else? It's beginning to give a tinny sound to the horn.
    Your multitude of words is starting to betray your motives.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 1:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    CHINESE PROVERB: THE FOX CANNOT HIDE HIS TAIL.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 2:26 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Missy, Do not let them get to you. Some just love to call names and spout their religious beliefs and that will save the day. Some know not what they speak. Nothing wrong with religion but as the old adage goes, Religion and Politics do not mix.

     
  • At 7/30/2006 2:31 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    1:16pm,

    Don’t forget that there are those who are in this town, not by their choice, but by the choice of others. Who is to say that in leaving Elkton, the town’s boundaries won’t find them again?

     
  • At 7/31/2006 9:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    We learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

    To all of our ASoP compatriots out there, stand strong! We're being villified by a certain self-serving element of our Town. You know the old adage about "sticks and stones?" Oh, we're being called a "cult". Ain't that the "pitts? "Takes one to know one" as someone previously wrote.
    To all our ASoP friends - we salute you! We are UNITED!

     
  • At 7/31/2006 11:58 AM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Firstly, If I remember from the days of my youth out in the country, pig/mud wrestling was great fun at the county fairs. Lots of kids participated. Same with trying to catch a greased pig. Soap and water will wash off the mud, not so with other types of dirt.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 2:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A large brain and a busy tongue seldom share the same head.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 2:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    7/31/2206 9:41 AM They just don't get it do they? See we told you interpretation is everything.
    Funny that no one mentioned the "cult" slam. We know about the greased pig - oh make that the greasy pig, and the fun the kids had with trying to wrestle one. Remember the LYE soap? THAT removed EVERYTHING - including skin. (Now there's a FACT for you!)

     
  • At 7/31/2006 2:56 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Lye soap will wash off most everything on the outside. It is what is on the inside of some that it has no effect on. This is fact. But then facts mean nothing to some.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 3:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    THE FACT THAT AIN'T GETTING ACROSS IS....... 'THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN'! IS THAT TWO TUFF FER YA?

     
  • At 7/31/2006 4:22 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Is your keyboard broken or do you just like to yell?

     
  • At 7/31/2006 4:33 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Almost forgot something, The voters spoke when Richard M. Nixon was elected. They also spoke when William Clinton was elected. Did this make either of them an honorable, ethical, or moral President?

     
  • At 7/31/2006 4:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN, THIS WE KNOW. FOR THE DISH ON ELKTON, ITS HERE WE GO. ALL MONEYS THE SAME, ITS EASY TO BLOW. HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT, WE WANT TO KNOW. A WRITTEN BUDGET, NOT ONE IN A HEAD WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ELKTON NOT IN THE RED. SO FOR THE TRUSTEES OF THIS TOWN, ITS TIME TO PUT SOME NUMBERS DOWN. SO THE FOLKS ON THIS SITE WILL GET IT RIGHT AND NOT HAVE TO READ THIS AWFUL FIGHT.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 4:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hey, they also spoke when they (sigh) elected idiot from the Bush Crime Family, twice...

    Bill Clinton, why did you have to laeve...

    Bush has no stance on issues of ethics..mr. kill, kill, kill, kill...hell even Laura killed someone while drivining drunk in High School...think if Hillary had done something like that what they'd be saying about her...please...

     
  • At 7/31/2006 5:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Those who oppose you are often not really against you, it's just that they are for themselves and their personal interest in a situation, and you get in the way.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 5:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hillary went to high school?

     
  • At 7/31/2006 5:24 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    All of this just goes to prove what I said. The results of an election do not prove the one elected is honorable, ethical, moral, or a great leader. Only that they were able to kiss more babies, shake more hands, make more promises, and lead the electorate astray. As someone said to me, I don't care if it's legal, it's how I win elections.

     
  • At 7/31/2006 5:31 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Is there one person out there who will be brave enough to say who is in this for themselves and what possible gain there is for any individual in all of this? Or will cryptic innuendo rule the day? Mr. Corbo, I will thank you in advance for not answering this one (no offense).

     
  • At 8/01/2006 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How dispicable and loathsome some people are to dredge up whatever they can on the Bush family. No one disgraced the presidency more than Clinton, and you want him back??? What the hell does that have to do with Elkton? Can't fight fairly - direct the fight on to an entirely different subject? As for Corbo - never does he reply poitively to a posted statement - it's always with an exception as - such as his allegory regarding lye soap. As for using it on the inside - try it. Might wash some of the anger and ego away.

    What is our main reason for posting on the blogs, and what are we getting out of this? Firstly we logged on, not for our sakes, but to defend the vicious, nasty personal attacks on our elected Mayor, (sometimes the council members), and oft times the posters who are attacked for their loyaly and respect for all our officials in Elkton.

    Secondly, what are we getting out of this? The right to honor and defend the wishes of the voters who elected our Mayor and Council by a landslide - so they may do their duty without interference and intimidation from those who are angry and bitter that the election did not go their way. We are getting respect and thanks from the good people of Elkton who know we are fighting for them and for their right to have a peacful town without rancor or bitterness -but with love, peace and understanding for ALL our Town citizens.

     
  • At 8/01/2006 10:52 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    ASoP at 10:18,

    Thanks for your post. I understand that you, as well as Mr. Corbo get the right to defend your position here on this blog. My question refers to the fact that other anonymous posters have suggested that the relatives of previous councils were given special treatment, or there were conflicts of interest – nepotism and cronyism. If someone will not name names and favors received, then they are just throwing mud on the wall and hoping it will stick. My question is who as an individual was to receive benefits from the Angler deal that were beyond the benefits the town would have received?

     
  • At 8/01/2006 11:37 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    The ASoPs who suggest, without substantiating proof, that there were conflicts of interest, that say “look who is on the PA – the McDaniels and the Deans” that say “some council members in the past did what was in the interests of their relations before the interests of the town”. These and any other ASoPs, who share this opinion, are to whom I am addressing this question.

     
  • At 8/01/2006 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    it sounds as if you elktonians are addicted to debt like the bush family is, no wonder some of you freaks like him...

    no really Laura Bush did KILL SOMEONE while in High School..really

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush#Fatal_car_accident

    those dispicable bushes, alwasy killing someone or sending some off to their death...is their family seal a Grim Reaper?????

     
  • At 8/01/2006 2:51 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Let us not just pick on the Bush family. How about Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick. Do you think the family of Mary Jo Kopechne, yet he continues to get elected. So much for election results!

     
  • At 8/01/2006 3:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Here we go again with the vitriol against the Bushes who have nothing whatsoever to do with the politics of Elkton. Fair fight - think not! When the other side has nothing left to fight with, they dig so far down, they alm,ost hit bottom. Pity they don't fall in. With regards to Ted Kennedy and his family's problems, they super-pass anything the Bush family has ever done, or will ever do. Well, guess the ASop's are right! Those who continue to post the most heinous garbage should consider where their destructive hate is coming from. Course they'll deny it - we still say - there are none so blind as those that WILL not see. Live with love, not hate.

     
  • At 8/01/2006 4:43 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Someone today told me a good idea. Why don't each of the anonymous posters pick an alias to use each time they post. This way each poster can be addressed by their alias and all anonymous postings would not be lumped together.

    Pick something that you would like to use that would seperate your posts from the other anonymous folks. Not a method of trying to identify anyone, just a way to differentiate between posters.

    What do you think?

     
  • At 8/02/2006 1:43 AM, Anonymous Mick said…

    Good idea.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 1:48 AM, Anonymous mick again said…

    My mum is wondering what about the golf course. Might it not have been a good idea? Bring in tourists what have you? Is this a good public investment? A simple answer please.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 7:56 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Mick,

    There are two simple answers to this question depending upon who one supported in the past elections. The Anonymous Supporters of Printz (ASoPs) say the answer is no. They are afraid of perceived liability. This group is about 75% of those who cared to vote in the past election. The other 25% sided with the previous council who supported the idea of a golf course. These two groups represent about half of the town’s voters. Unfortunately, we do not know what the other 50% of the town’s people would support because they did not vote. Some will argue that the past election was not a referendum on the golf course, but I believe it lies at the bottom of every other explanation.

    This course was not to be a public investment. It would have been constructed and paid for by the developer (Angler) and given to the Elkton Park Authority without liability to the town. The course would have been current market valued at 5-6million dollars. The developer wanted the course to draw home buyers to a golf course community of 600 homes. It is like Jeff has said - that many people are not going to buy a home in Elkton. But the developer believed they would if there was a draw – the golf course. And the developer was going to give the town 4.7million dollars cash and a 5-6million dollar golf course to the Park Authority for the opportunity to prove it.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 10:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The Neighborhood watch was a big success, and those who attended had a great time. Thanks to Mayor Printz, all the members who served food and drinks, and all our good council members who attended.

    Thanks especially to Haze Crider, and all members of the Neighborhood Watch who were so diligent in organizing the event. Also, our wonderful Elkton residents who came out to enjoy the great toe-tapping music, the love, friendship and fellowship. Kudos to all the musicians - you were great!

    The Neighborhood Watch appreciates the support of the community. We work with our dedicated members under the auspices of our great Elkton Police Department. Please continue to support us and them Thank you!

     
  • At 8/02/2006 11:18 AM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    I must agree that the National Night Out was a fine event. I am sure we all enjoyed the great music and the ability to meet and speak with other residents of the town.

    It was nice to be able to meet the members of the Police Force and speak with a couple of the Town Council that were in attendance.

    Maybe additional 'nights out' would be beneficial to get folks out to meet and socialize. Does not have to be anything extravagant, just similar to the National Night Out. Maybe a couple of times a year. It does not seem like it would be very costly. Maybe a couple of the civic organizations in town could get together to organize such an endeavor.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 11:57 AM, Anonymous francis said…

    The National Night Out was truly a great example of the types of activities which could be available to the town's people. It is a shame that it is tainted by the fact that it was in reality a rally for the crider/printz cult and therefore just another political event paid for with funds which were intended to support legitimate activities of a real neighborhood Watch group. If neighborhood Watch is ever to have any true respect and purpose it will have to change it's leadership.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 12:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mr. Corbo: your suggestion concerning more 'get togethers' was quite good I thought. I am going to believe it was sincere and accept it in the spirit I trust it was presented. But then I fear your intentions brought forth the real spirit that some seem bent on harboring forever. (ref; 11:57 AM) Nice thought anyway. Thanks

     
  • At 8/02/2006 1:42 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Francis,

    You and any others who believe there is a Crider/Printz cult will not affect change of the status quo with posts like your most recent one. Read 10:27, they want your support – so give it to them. Attend their meetings and become part of the Watch. And while you are at it, take some of your neighbors. If you bring enough new blood into the group, you can affect change from the inside.

    If you can’t stomach that idea, join Mr. Corbo in A Better Elkton. Of course you must be prepared for the “Corbo cult” comparisons from the ASoPs. Don’t forget, there are six members on the council. Your alleged cult can get very little done without the aid of these people.

    When the bills start piling up at town hall, those six people will have some tough decisions to make. Be sure they know what you think they should do. Don’t let a group that you oppose have a monopoly on what is said at the council meetings. Regardless of who one and by how much, you have a right to be heard.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 4:16 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To the 12:40 anonymous poster. My comments about additional nights out were made with a very sincere attitude.

    Maybe what is needed is a middle ground group to help organize and sponsor such an event. Because the Neighborhood Watch is being viewed by some as a political action committee (as evidenced by their heavy campaign activity, and I am definitely a political activest a non partisan group would have more success with such an endeavor.

    Any suggestions on how this could be accomplished? Local merchants may be interested in starting something. Is there a Junior Commerce group locally, or something like this? A local 4H club, Scouts, etc..

     
  • At 8/02/2006 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mr. Corbo,
    At this moment I'm afraid I do not have a suggestion that would have a prayer of suceeding. I fear that there is so much polarization at this point that once anyone's name was put out as a member, the group would assume a label, whether deserved or not. We can always hope.
    I guess that I really envy people who are not faced with serious personal or family crisis.
    Certainly those of us who are, don't find it so hard to put these things in a proper perspective.

     
  • At 8/02/2006 9:59 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    Having a defeatist attitude never gets anyone anywhere. Even though the National Night Out was sponsored by the local Neighborhood Watch, a very nice crowd turned out to enjoy the evening. I am sure not all attendees were staunch supporters of Neighborhood Watch. Even I attended and thoroughly enjoyed myself without putting labels on anyone or talking down about anyone.

    I am sure if an event were organized by some non-partisan group it would meet with great success, no matter who participated in the planning and preparation. It will take someone interested and dedicated to organize such an event.

    I will put some feelers out and talk to some of the merchants in town and see if some interest could be generated. There is always hope.

     
  • At 8/03/2006 2:04 PM, Anonymous Francis said…

    Vic, These Evenings on the Lawn were originated by the E.D.R.C.group as part of the mainstreet program back when they first became part of Mainstreet. I'll bet they would be interested in reviving that part of their agenda, It was truly a great thing for the community. Nonpartisan and enjoyed by all.

     
  • At 8/03/2006 7:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ref 8-2-06 10:27AM

    I never thought I would hear the word "great" used in the same sentence as Elkton Police Dept!!!

     
  • At 8/03/2006 8:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Frances says:

    How disgusting is the person who signs themselves Francis - I am Frances, not the Francis on the blogs. I would in no way, shape or form ever, ever post anything on the blogs criticizing or making derogatory remarks against the Neighborhood Watch, the Mayor, the entire Council, nor the residents of Elkton. I am a part of the Neighborhood Watch and support the Mayor and Haze Crider 100%. Calling the members of the Neighborhood Watch, and those who support the Mayor a "cult" is absolutely the most ignorant name you can call an legitimate organization with its numerous dedicated members. As Joseph Welch said to MaCarthy at the McCarthy hearings a long time go, "Have you no shame?"

    After having a wonderful Elkton Night Out, where everybody put their differences aside and joined together in harmony with their friends and neighbors, WHY did you feel the need to post your abosolutely spiteful criticism of the Neighborhood Watch?

    We will continue to support the Mayor, the Council, the Neighborhood Watch, the Police Department, and all the good people of Elkton. (Did you know, or don't you care, that the Neighborhood Watch works with the Police Department??)

     
  • At 8/03/2006 9:05 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Frances,
    Is it possible that there is a Francis that does not agree with your views? Or do you think this person is a disenfanchised former member of the watch who tried to sully your name?

     
  • At 8/03/2006 10:17 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    It is quite apparent that some seem to be a bit paranoid when someone disagrees with their views. They profess the devotion to the things and people they believe in but when someone differs from their view they have no problem with calling them vile, disagreeable, being an ignoramus, despicable and loathsome. Never once challenging the facts and figures presented.

    Dave has presented some really good facts and figures and has requested rebuttals, but alas, not one with anything substantial. Only the we love Mr. Printz and the new council repetition. Does any ASoP have any idea how the ruling panel will pull the town out of the financial mess it is in?

    Getting rid of junk cars, dilapidated houses, and such efforts are well and good but we have yet to hear anything about how the real big problem will be addressed.

     
  • At 8/03/2006 11:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A passionate concern for the welfare of others is the false face a man puts on when his own ambitions have failed.
    Chinese Proverb

     
  • At 8/04/2006 12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mr. Corbo, you forgot dishonorable, unethical, and immoral. No. Wait. Is it possible these were suggestions from one of your postings concerning current office holders? But maybe I'm mistaken. Please correct me if I got that wrong.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 7:53 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Mr Corbo is not the only one making such allegations. Three days past, I asked someone to substantiate claims made against previous councilmen. Read posts at 10:52 and 11:37am from August 1. These accusations were given as “proof” that previous councils did not perform their duties with the best interests of the town in mind. No one has stepped up to substantiate those allegations. If no one will do this, how can anyone argue that previous councils acted outside the best interests of the town? As I recall, the town had to be dragged kicking and screaming when a council long ago decided it was in the best interests of the town to own the electric lines in town. Do any residents now feel that was a bad decision? Can you admit that the desires of one group today may not be in the best interests of the future of our town? Look at what the status quo has done to our downtown businesses. You say you like Elkton just the way it is. How much pride do you have in our town as you drive down Spotswood Trail and see the condition of many storefronts?

    The previous council had worked a deal that would have left Elkton with a surplus of cash for some time to come. The new council now reports a budget shortfall of $460,000 that will only get bigger. You all talk about supporting this council, but, are all 2600 residents of this town ready to step up and give the town $180 all the while keeping their wallets open for future shortfalls? Is the site of vacant store fronts and junkyards on our main street so appealing that you want it to stay that way?

    Speaking of shortfalls, what will the town do if the lenders (most likely banks) that have supplied bond money decide to call their loans due? If this council can break a contract with the developer that was to supply the revenue for repaying those bonds, the lenders of those bonds would be within their rights call their loan due. Don’t think this can happen? Anyone who has ever borrowed money should know that the lender is within their rights to call a loan due at any time during the term of the loan which is what the bonds Elkton issued are.

    You can call Mr Corbo a false faced man all you want. But I was born at RMH and have lived here my entire life. You cannot so tritely discount my passionate concern for this town.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 8:19 AM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To 8/04/2006 12:00 AM

    I do not believe I have ever called any of the 6 sitting council any of the names you mention. I admit to calling only one person unethical and dishonorable, I have even told him this to his face. No punches pulled here. But I do not recall calling him immoral. I believe this was done by one of the anonymous posters.

    I have and will continue to voice my opinion when I believe the panel has made what I feel is a bad or questionable decision. All to often the residents sit idly by without making their concerns known and the panel just goes on their merry way doing what they feel like.

    If many others took a real interest in what is going on in town and made their concerns known, maybe things would get done for the good of the entire town and not just a few ASoPs.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I do not see where anyone called Mr. Corbo or anybody else a false faced man. Is it possible that the shoe just found a fit? As for those names attributed to Mr. Corbo, yes they are all in this very column of comments, check it out.
    Perhaps all these people with plans to 'save the day' should run for council. Oops! I forgot, they did that already.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 9:17 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Anonymous at 8:55,

    You can hide behind cryptic innuendo, but as you said what is printed in this blog is for all to see. Mr Corbo is the only one who has been told his ambitions have failed. In this context the anonymous post at 11:36 clearly refers to Mr Corbo as a false faced man. Anyone who uses the intelligence God gave them will see that. You can hide behind the cryptic nature of that post as you wish, but previous posts give 11:36 away.
    With certainty the four newcomers vowed to save the day. Elkton will remain as the ASoPs want it, we will all get to look at the junkyards and empty store fronts for years to come.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 3:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I forgot Mr. Corbo was the 'only' unsucessful candidate in the last election. Sorry!

     
  • At 8/04/2006 4:21 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    You needn’t apologize to me for overlooking the fact that Mr Corbo is the only candidate that stands accused of not being compassionate for the welfare of the town and is posting on this blog. Therefore the logic regarding the Chinese proverb posted at 11:36 still stands. No harm.

     
  • At 8/04/2006 11:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    SNAKE OIL SALESMEN USED TO TRAVEL THE VALLEY IN SEARCH OF VULNERBALE AND GULLIBLE PEOPLE WHO SO WERE SO EASILY TALKED INTO PURCHASING THEIR WARES. THIS IS APROPOS AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN ELKTON. BE CAREFUL OF SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WHO WANT TO SELL THEIR GOOD TO YOU FOR WHAT SUPPOSEDLY AILS YOU, ONLY TO FIND OUT TOO LATE YOU WERE DCEIVED, AND WERE LET HOLDING A TOTALLY USELESS BAG. KEEP A SHARP EYE OUT FOR THOSE WHO WOULD SELL YOU DOWN THE RIVER FOR THEIR OWN WRONGFUL AGEND! PLEASE STAY AWAKE AN AWARE. DON'T LET THE MISGUIDED SNAKE OIL SALESMAN RUIN YOUR LIFE.. BELIEVE ME - STAY STRONG IN FAITH AND LOVE!

     
  • At 8/04/2006 11:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    SNAKE OIL SALESMEN USED TO TRAVEL THE VALLEY IN SEARCH OF VULNERBALE AND GULLIBLE PEOPLE WHO SO WERE SO EASILY TALKED INTO PURCHASING THEIR WARES. THIS IS APROPOS AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN ELKTON. BE CAREFUL OF SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WHO WANT TO SELL THEIR GOOD TO YOU FOR WHAT SUPPOSEDLY AILS YOU, ONLY TO FIND OUT TOO LATE YOU WERE DCEIVED, AND WERE LET HOLDING A TOTALLY USELESS BAG. KEEP A SHARP EYE OUT FOR THOSE WHO WOULD SELL YOU DOWN THE RIVER FOR THEIR OWN WRONGFUL AGEND! PLEASE STAY AWAKE AN AWARE. DON'T LET THE MISGUIDED SNAKE OIL SALESMAN RUIN YOUR LIFE.. BELIEVE ME - STAY STRONG IN FAITH AND LOVE!

     
  • At 8/04/2006 11:32 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    The biggest snake oil salesman we have here in Elkton sits in the center seat of the council desk. He loves to tell his followers what they want to hear and not what are the real facts about most any subject.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 12:29 AM, Anonymous Dave said…

    If one wants to make comparisons to snake oil salesmen, one could very easily look at the winners of the last election. Though I am beginning to doubt they sold anything as much as they were told what to sell. I really can think of no logical reason that the trustees of the town would knowingly put the town into a deficit situation other than that is what a group of voters told the candidates that is what they wanted them to do when they were elected. Come to think of it, they said they didn’t know what the repercussions of axing Angler would be. Still, winning with a platform that was given to them means that they have to ride it as far as they can. I wonder if $460,000 is enough to jar them off that platform? Maybe we can get a registration site set up so all those who told this council to ax the Angler deal can proudly support this council and the debt it will incur. Unfortunately for the council, I believe that when showing ones support for this council means shelling out $650, many of the snake oil salesmen in town will remain anonymous. Whoa, gotta go clean the drivel from the side of my chin. …I was born a rambl’in man….

     
  • At 8/05/2006 12:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    He who angers you, controls you.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 12:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Regard 12:29 AM....Me thinks he does protest too much.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 1:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Is possible that entirely too much credit is being given to the "cult" for the outcome of the last election?
    Some of the 'credit' has to go to the incumbents for a disaster like that to have resulted! Maybe the "cult" didn't win the election as much as others just lost it.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 8:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thanks to annonymous at 1:02 AM. You are so, so insightful. The loser can't let go of his frustration at losing by a landslide. The voters have made their choices. LIVE WITH IT AND MOVE ON!

     
  • At 8/05/2006 9:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Listen, can we all just get over the election and learn to live with the council we have? The voters DID make their choice, but not necessarily the citizens. We have a new council and they are the ones we need to be talking to now. And they are the ones that need to be talking to US, as in telling us how getting rid of Angler is going to affect us. Can any ASoP's out there get the council to talk?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 9:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    'The voters made a choice but not the citizens'. Can this get any more pathetic, pitiful or assinine? (yes, two s's)

     
  • At 8/05/2006 10:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If you read what I wrote you will see that I said, "not NECESSARILY the citizens". There were a lot of citizens for whatever reason that did not vote and no one knows what their views are. But as I was saying, can't we all just get past the election and figure out what the Town is going to do now. Are we in financial trouble or not? And if we are, does the council have a way out? I'd just like to know what's in ahead for the town.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 10:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have not heard of any other communities in our area screaming for Angler to come to their town. How could they overlook such an opportunity? Are there none with the wise leadership we used to enjoy?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 11:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Maybe the non-voters were too busy playing golf on election day to get to the polls. Everybody plays, you know.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 11:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To the 11:12 poster on 8/4: Did you buy some of that snake oil and decide to partake of it since you repeated yourself and you like to yell. (FYI: typing in all caps is yelling.)

     
  • At 8/05/2006 12:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    MY, MY, MY OUR ANGER BETRAYS US, AGAIN!!!!

     
  • At 8/05/2006 1:11 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    I see no protests or anger here. Dave has on more than one occasion presented very accurate facts and figures as to the financial condition of the town. In a nutshell, over $6,000,000 in debt with apparently no idea on how to get the town out of the financial mess.

    You cannot blame the past council for all of the problems currently being faced by the town. Mr. Printz, Mr. Dearing and Mr. O’neill, were in office when the Kite property was purchased with by their own admission, no idea with what to do with it.

    The prior council, I believe, wee acting in the best interest of the entire town. They inherited a contract, largely negotiated by Mr. Printz, and were attempting to live up to its terms and conditions.

    In a letter to the editor of The Valley Banner, published on March 31, 2005, Mr. Printz stated, “In reviewing our position, lets remember that myself and this council were thrust into a situation where the town was the town was almost $2 million in debt and had no plan for the use of the Miss Kite property.”

    By virtue of Mr. Printz being on the council that bought the property, and Mr. O’neill making the motion to borrow the money, Mr. Printz did the thrusting himself.

    In the same letter Mr. Printz states, “The town will receive nearly $4.7 million in cash, retain ownership of the Kite House, and approximately 130 acres for a golf course, completely free of any debt. The entire value of the transaction is close to $10 million, without considering the positive economic impact for our local businesses, employment, and eradication of town debt.”

    At that time Mr. Printz seemed to think this project was the greatest thing since sliced bread. What has subsequently transpired to cause Mr. Printz to flip flop his position. No accusations here, but, could his business/financial arrangement with another developer have any impact on his position?

    If you do not believe what I write, obtain a copy of the Banner and read his letter for yourselves. But it is doubtful any of you really want to know the real facts. As I have said before, educate yourselves and not believe everything you are told by those you “love”.

    Sorry for the length of the post. You may now all blast me for writing the truth.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    No anger here, you're the one yelling.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 1:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    this here is whispering. is that better?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    With all this flip-flopping and still he got reelected. Does this show you what the voters really thought of the alternatives?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 3:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    much better, thanks.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 3:57 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    None of this angers me. It saddens me that the town will suffer unless the council finds that money tree (Here Angler, Angler, Angler). Comments about trimming fat are fine, but we may be talking about arms and legs here with the amount of money the town has spent and now no cash to pay. If you think my opinion is a protest so be it, but that’s what this whole blog is about, peoples opinions. I am not sure “the cult” can get to much credit for the results of the election. A group of people in town who oppose change put up four candidates and then half the town stayed home on Election Day – I doubt they were playing golf (but people who buy homes in a golf course community definitely do play lots of golf) and we have to move forward with this group. It does seem worrisome that a council of six now seems like a scripted council of two.

    Now that these folks are in office, people need to speak up at council meetings to demand answers for how the debt will be paid, how the budget shortfall will be made up, and how the nut and bolt items of the town will be paid for. Jeff has said before that people are not currently lining up to move to Elkton. If there is not something to draw them here, they will not come. The town tried to sell the Kite property by itself in a booming housing market and no one wanted it. Not even for price the town paid so Elkton could break even.

    The reason other communities are not screaming for Angler to come to their community is because the “wise leaders” of their councils have not purchased hundreds of acres of land and put their towns in debt. Simple nuff fer ya? Elkton got in the real estate business, and you can thank Mr.’s O’Neil, Dearing and Printz for that. The council will have to sell that property to keep the town form drowning in debt.

    Flip, Flop….Flip. Wanna bet we end with a golf course community after all?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    HEY, IS THIS LOUD ENOUGH!!! CAPITAL LETTERS DO NOT MEAN YELLING! THOSE WRITING IN CAPITAL LETTERS MEAN TO GET YOUR ATTENTION, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GET THROUGH TO YOU.
    WE ARE ASoP'S AND PROUD OF IT.
    YOU CAN THANK THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL FOR THE DEBACLE ELKTON IS IN RIGHT NOW. THE MAYOR DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE REMEMBER!!!!! OH, THE 'BOZO' (HIS WORD) FROM THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL KNOWS WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN PLAY THE BLAME GAME ALL YOU WANT - AS OLD MAN CORBO POSIT'S, FACTS DON'T LIE! (OR DO THEY?) THE OUSTED COUNCIL COMPLETELY SCREWED US UP. THE NEW COUNCIL INHERITED A DUMP LOAD OF PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH, BUT, OF COURSE, THE "LURKING FOXES" WILL DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DISCREDIT THEIR EFFORTS TO PUT THINGS RIGHT AGAIN. FEEL SORRY FOR THE DOOM AND GLOOMERS? NAAAH!

     
  • At 8/05/2006 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Who was on council when they bought Mrs Kite's property? Nuff said. Or is it?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 7:16 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    To 8/05/2006 4:49 PM: AS OLD MAN CORBO POST'S. How can you blame the last council for the debacle we are in today. They inherited the land deal that Mr. Printz, Mr. O'Neill, and Mr. Dearing concocted when they bought the Kite property, with as they will admit, having no idea what to do with. You apparently do not comprehend what you read and lack any real knowledge of the chain of events.

    The contract was originally engineered and negotiated by Mr. Printz who was giving away the farm until Mr. Donachy became involved. Then it seems the ego of Mr. Printz got in the way when Mr. Donachy was able to get proffers from Angler that Mr. Printz never even thought of. Mr. Printz then complained that the proffers were on a per unit basis. What is better, per unit or none? You tell us.

    To understand what has transpired over the past few years you must take the time to go back and read the minutes of previous council meetings and watch the video tapes of those meetings to get the true picture of where many of the problems originated.

    If you talk to anyone who has been around computers for any length of time, TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING!

     
  • At 8/05/2006 7:35 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    ASoP JAGWE (Jealous And Green With Envy)

    I am glad you found your voice again. Unfortunately, your “facts” are opinion. As anonymous at 6:40 pointed out, the M.E. Kite property was purchased two councils ago. What that means, if you care to tell the truth, is the previous council inherited a debt of 2million dollars from the O’Neil, Dearing, Printz council. So if you want to blame the previous council for anything, the most important question to ask, is should the previous council have purchased the Hiram Kite and Taylor properties for a total of 1million dollars – keeping in mind that those purchases were made in order to present a package deal to get rid of all the land debt. Now if my math is right, the previous council is guilty of selling 3million dollars worth of property for 4.7million cash and a 5-6million dollar golf course. 3million spent – 4.7million cash received plus a 5-6million dollar paid for asset. You’re right - they were a bunch of morons.

    Now for the most important part of all, how must the newly elected council proceed to make up a budget shortfall of $460,000 and pay for the property debt and pay for Community Center renovations, and pay for state mandated sewage plant upgrades, and pay for extending water, sewer, and street lights to all annexed areas, and pay for Chicken Hill sewer upgrades? The least you can do is offer some suggestions. I am quite sure they would love to hear them because right now, they don’t know what else to do except call Angler back. Then how much support will you have for them?

     
  • At 8/05/2006 8:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Support - 100%. We believe in letting the council do their work without the interference of those who think they know more than the duly elected officials.

    Anonymous bloggers - do you know you are not anonymous? There are those unscrupulous people who are hacking into your computer to get your identity. Of course, Corbo will say you don't have enough protective security and it's your fault they can penetrate your computer. This violation of your privacy has been reported, (among other things) and is now being investigated.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 8:53 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    If you will support the new council 100% in calling Angler back in, you should let them know that. Letting them know how you feel or others letting them know how they feel through this blog is not “interference”. It is just a technologically new way for public opinion to be heard. Think about this for one moment. If they do call Angler back, would that be the equivalent of saying the previous council had it right? I am just asking a sincere question here – no “we are right and you are wrong” stuff. I ask this question with this thought in mind: If calling Angler back is the best thing they could do for this town, will the new council do it, knowing full well that so many out there oppose that action and they ran on a platform that is 180 degrees from that action.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 10:01 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    This is some debate.

    Side A - Facts presented. Council minutes cited for proof.

    Side B - We love our mayor. How dare you speak against him.

    Side A - Facts presented. Newspaper article cited for proof

    Side B - We love the mayor and council.

    Side A - Facts presented. TV and newspaper interviews cited for proof

    Side B - We love our mayor, how can you talk against him.

    Side A - Facts and figures presented. Signed contracts cited as proof.

    Side B - How dare you speak against our beloved mayor. You outsiders need to be tared and feathered.

    Side A - Suggestions made for protecting your computer.

    Side B - How can you blame us for having our computers hacked. You are despicable.

    Side A - Facts and figures presented. Treasurers reports and budgets cited as proof.

    Side B - We love our mayor.

    Really makes for an interesting debate.

     
  • At 8/05/2006 10:26 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    ASoP at 8:41,

    If you are concerned about hackers accessing your computer, try the following method for posting on this blog.

    1) Use a dial-up connection – much slower connection and hackers hate slow. Even if you have access to broadband, your computer likely has a modem interface. If you choose to continue using a “high speed” connection, by following the rest of this advice you can minimize the time your computer is at risk.
    2) Read the recent posts without posting.
    3) Go off line and formulate your post in the word processing software you are using.
    4) Copy your reply and go back online.
    5) Paste your reply and disconnect.

    This may seem like a waste of time. Many feel the same way about having to pass through security at airports nowadays. Its just the precautions we take in the day we live.

     
  • At 8/06/2006 11:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To the 8/5 4:49 Poster. LOL (not a typo) You are so funny.

     
  • At 8/08/2006 2:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yep! FUNNY! Didn't know we had so many great "wits" and "pundits" residing in Elkton. What isn't funny is this total self-absorption in the jockeying and jostling for the position of "HEAP BIG CHIEF, I KNOW HOW TO RUN THE TOWN BETTER THAN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS" mentality. "Back seat driving" never works. Only makes the driver mad.

     
  • At 8/08/2006 3:51 PM, Anonymous Dave said…

    Sharing ideas about how to run the town is why this forum is here. Read the title – Elkton have your say. After all, when you are a backseat passenger and you think the driver may be dozing off do you say nothing? Just look back at an anonymous post from 8-5-06 at 8:41pm. To suggest that the duly elected officials know more about all things than others in this town is ridiculous. I assure you that I know more about some things than those who were elected to the new council and I aint all that smart. Most assuredly they know more about some things than I do. That’s why it is good to speak out and share ideas. To say that speaking out is “interference” reflects an attitude that is a bit more than just disagreeable. For any who are self absorbed with chastising those in descent of the councils actions to date – fire away.

     
  • At 8/08/2006 3:55 PM, Anonymous Vic Corbo said…

    8/08/2006 2:15 PM

    I really do not see anyone jostling for the position of HEAP BIG CHIEF. Mainly those posting on the opposite side of the ASoPs have been presenting real facts about the situation in Town. None of you have ever attempted to disprove any of the facts or figures. Most all presented with proof.

    You stand so fast on your devotion to the new council and Mr. Printz, but fail to understand or admit to the fact that the seated folks did not do all that great the last time they sat on the council.

    Do you or anyone else, including the seated council have any ideas on how to pull the Town out of the financial mess it is facing? Over $6 million in debt and over $450,000 in budget shortfall.

    Keep wearing those rose colored glasses. Maybe you can afford steeply increased taxes.

     
  • At 8/08/2006 5:47 PM, Blogger Missy said…

    Can someone explain to me how if you make comments disagreeing with the current council you are interferring, but if you made comments disagreeing with the last council it wasn't interferring? Just wondering how that works.

     
  • At 8/08/2006 6:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Love that you post that Elkton has a lot of "wits" in Elkton. Between you and me, are the rest "half-wits?" ASoP's, ASoC's and ASoPD's you are the greatest.

     

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